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Games Workshop => Other GW Games => Topic started by: StrategicCommand on August 23, 2010, 01:33:42 PM
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So at Games Day 2010 I got to play Trafalgar. It was great, simple, fast to pick up and the miniatures are not that expensive.. Once I get the rule book and a few ships up and running I would love to teach anyone who would like to play.
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My friend Nick owns the rulebook, and we were both going to invest in fleets at some point. I'm sure he'll be very exited to find another player.
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I am going with Old Glory Miniatures.. and I think I will be doing the 1/300 scale they are bigger then the book but the scale increase is in the book from what I was told. Other then that you are at 1/2000 scale and that seams too small.
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Paul, if you and Nick are around tomorrow night (Wednesday), could Nick bring the rulebook; I'm interested and would like to check out the rules. I'll bring Game Workshop's Man 'O War with me too.
Thanks, John
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I just noticed this topic, I didn't realize there was so much interest in historical games among the BG crew!
I also have Trafalgar and have been wanting to give it a go. I have a few models from Langton, but haven't assembled them yet...
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I have found that Langton models are nice but a bit prices. I am going to be buying my fleet from Old Glory Miniatures. www.oldgloryminiatures.com (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com) at the 1/300th scale each ship is roughly 25-35 buck and if you join their club ($50.00 for the year) you get everything at 40% off. So if you are going to be buying a lot its worth it.
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Found another company that makes ships for the Trafalgar range. its Skytrex Miniatures. They make ships in 1/700th scale but they are rather inexpensive and really nice to look at. sails and lines and rigging are all etched brass and the hulls are pewter. The only trick is that anyone who is going to play needs to agree on a miniature company and all get the same scale. I am leaning towards Old Glory and 1/300th or Skytrex Miniatures at 1/700th. but I know the game was orignally made I think for 1/1200th.
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Ok so after A LOT of searching the internet and forum posts it seems that Langton Models. has the best line for the best price with what you get... Most ships are 3-4 GBP and then the sails are 3-4 GBP along with Resin bases at 1-2 GBP. They also have a starter set of 4 ships for around 39 GBP. So that's like 70 US for 900 points worth of ships.
I think i will be making a British or French and definitely a US Fleet.
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here is a post I placed on my club site....
So the first thing you need to due is figure out if you are going to stick to the recommended scale of 1/1200th or go larger or smaller.
The only issue with going larger or smaller scale is that you will need to have either enough ships for two people to play with or find others willing to go that scale.
Here is a list of the most well known makers of Naepolianic Ships for the Trafalgar system and the scales they produce.
Langton Models: 1/1200 & 1/300th Napoleonic Ships
Old Glory Miniatures: 1/2400 & 1/300th Napoleonic Ships
Skytrex Models: 1/1200 & 1/700th Napoleonic Ships
GHQ Models: 1/1200th Napoleonic Ships
Here are the links below:
Langton Models: http://www.rodlangton.com/ (http://www.rodlangton.com/)
Old Glory Miniatures: http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/ (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/)
Skytrex Models: http://www.skytrex.com/147/ships/ (http://www.skytrex.com/147/ships/)
GHQ Models: http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-napoleonic-micronauts.html (http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-napoleonic-micronauts.html)
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I think 1/1200 is the way to go. Larger scales are a.) loads more expensive, generally and b.) need a much bigger playing area.
I have several Langton 1/1200 British ships, (3 third rate 74's and 2 28 gun frigates as I recall) and will work on getting them assembled...
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Adrian,
Can you bring them to Plainville on Wednesday; would like to check them out.
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Adrian, might you be able to leave 1 at the store so I can see it too... I would love to hold a model before throwing money at a company :)
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I'll be sure to put one in my FoW stuff tonight...
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Well found a great deal online for some Langton ships on Ebay. Now I have a starter fleet for at least half retail.
Here is what I got...
1: British 3rd Rate (Large) 225pts with out any upgrades
1: British 3rd Rate (Small) 200pts with out any upgrades
1: British 4th Rate 150pts with out any upgrades
1: British 5th Rate 125pts with out any upgrades
1: British 6th Rate 110pts with out any upgrades
So base ship totals points are 810 with out any upgrades
Now I need to create or buy bases and paint them up.
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So after looking and reading about how to even go about making a ship like this... Here she is...
She is a 64 gun 3rd Rate (small) Ship of the Line.
The HMS "Valliant"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0074.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0076.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0077.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0081.jpg)
Now here is a size comparison...
First my thumb....
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0082.jpg)
Second my Imperial Guardsman...
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0084.jpg)
I still need to add pennants and flags...
Comments more then welcome.
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nice job, that must be the smaller scale, is it 1/2400? how many points are in those old glory battlefleets we looked at? http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=602
-Tim
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Tim,
Nope that's 1/1200 scale :) they are small now...1/2400 is WAY WAY Smaller and much much less detail on the models...
Here is a picture of the difference in scale from 1/1200 to 1/2400
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0078.jpg)
from what I can figure the Old Glory 1/2400 fleets run about....
Trafalgar - British Fleet
This boxed set contains 31 ships for the British fleet. These beautiful 1 piece castings are done in white metal.
This set includes: 3 x 100 gun ships = 975pts with no upgrades
4 x 98 gun ships = 1100pts with no upgrades
1 x 80 gun ship = 225pt with no upgrades
8 x 74 gun ships # 1 = 592pts with no upgrades
8 x 74 gun ships #2 = 592pts with no upgrades
3 x 64 gun ships = 600pts with no upgrades
4 frigates = 500pts with no upgrades
That's a total of 4584pts with no upgrades for a grand total price of $69.75 + shipping.
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That looks really good. Turns out I don't have as many ships as I thought, I've only got the 2 British 74's. I'll see about picking some more up so we can get going on the game though.
Rigging and everything huh. That's the one reason 1/2400 is an appealing scale. Nobody rigs those.
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You know I thought the 1/1200 was to small...and the much larger 1/700th or even 1/300 ships are nicer from a modeling perspective even if the price is a little higher.
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Great job on the HMS "Valiant", she looks great!!
How long did it take to rig her? Was it difficult? Any reference material in the rulebook as to fleet color schemes?
John
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Thanks Grey... How long did it take to rig? maybe an hour or two max. I could have doubled my rigging if I wanted to get more accurate and I think I may still add the ratlines. Not to hard just need some good lighting and tweezers. The book has color schemes in it. I do have an extra copy of the book that I may leave at the store in Abington as a store reference book. Plus if you have any questions about building the model or painting or rigging just ask away :)
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i cant find any 1/1200 scale anywhere, does the book recommend a company, i love the tiny scale, cheap to get into, slap some paint and off you go. no worries about modeling rigging.
-Tim
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Tim, the book recommends a few folks who make 1/1200 I listed above in the post with links...
Here is a repost....
Langton Models: 1/1200 & 1/300th Napoleonic Ships
Old Glory Miniatures: 1/2400 & 1/300th Napoleonic Ships
Skytrex Models: 1/1200 & 1/700th Napoleonic Ships
GHQ Models: 1/1200th Napoleonic Ships
Here are the links below:
Langton Models: http://www.rodlangton.com/ (http://www.rodlangton.com/)
Old Glory Miniatures:http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/ (http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/)
Skytrex Models: http://www.skytrex.com/147/ships/ (http://www.skytrex.com/147/ships/)
GHQ Models: http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-napoleonic-micronauts.html (http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/military-models-napoleonic-micronauts.html)
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I just finished my second ship in the fleet, she is a 28 gun Frigate
The HMS "Pimpernel"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0093.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0091.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0094.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0095.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-DSC_0097.jpg)
After seeing the pictures online I can see some touch up areas and of course I need pennants and flags.
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Update.... I am continued to paint the remaining three ships for my Biristh Fleet.. 800pts of Ships will be ready soon to sail the oceans looking for their first shots into an unknown enemy at BG Plainville.
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Those ships are coming out very nicely. Been working on my Soviet Flames of War minis but am interested in seeing/playing a game.
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No Problem... I ran a game with my Dad with only 2 ships per side... It was slow going as we were both learning but it was FUN.
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Exciting news... A new fleet is on its way from Rod Langton Models.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-107776.jpg)
A new French Fleet with...
1: 1st Rate "Le Imperial" (118 gun)
1: 2nd Rate "Le Conquerant" (80 Guns)
4: Large 3rd Rates "Le Orion" "Le Achille" Le Athenien" "Le Trident" (74 Guns)
All ship names are taken from the French registry of Ships of their size dating around 1795-1815
Also joining them is a British 1st Rate 100 gun "Queen Charlotte"
Which completes my British Fleet with:
1: 1st Rate "Queen Charlotte" (100 Gun)
1: Large 3rd Rate "HMS Resolution" (74 Gun) (PAINTED)
1: 3rd Rate "HMS Trident" (64 Gun) (PAINTED)
2: 4th Rates "HMS Adamant" "HMS Medusa" (54 & 50 Guns) (PAINTED)
1: 5th Rate "HMS Hawk" (32 Guns) (PAINTED)
All ship names are taken from the Royal Navy registry of Ships of their size dating around 1795-1815
Both fleets sit around 1150pts before upgrades.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Tarfulcrum/Trafalgar/mini-Trafalgar_by_Radojavor.jpg)
Can't wait to add to these fleets with smaller faster unrated ships or even stay large and form blockade strength fleets. Or maybe I will choose to make an American fleet who will have much lighter ships but many more :)
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I had an awesome test game with Matt tonight. Really fun to play...still need to get my French fleet once it arrives from the UK up and running but right now sample games with three ships each is a nice start.
Thanks Matt...
If anyone would like to play let me know... I am open this coming Tuesday. I will be playing at least 1 game with Tim.
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I would also love to try this out, though i am back logged with painting right now.
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No Problem... I will be at BG Plainville on Tuesday Nights... This Tuesday I will be running a couple Traflagar games and hopefully getting in a Fantasy game as well...
Now I am still getting used to the rule set so there will be alot of book looking :) I have made player aids though... laminated reference tables etc...
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WOW... so last night Wade and I brough out three ships each and had a GREAT fleet engagement. Relearning the rules took some time but soon the turns started to flow easily. In the end Wade's 1st Rate limped off the seas of battle with some fire damage on his decks but my fleet in ruin. Of course my third rate and 1st rate collided sinking both...so I gave him the win... GOOD JOB Wade!
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Saturday Night saw a great test game with Matt and I. We each had 1000 pts of British and French ships.
British Fleet: 1: 1st Rate 100 Guns, 3: Large 3rd Rates 74 Guns
French Fleet: 2: 1st Rates 118 Guns, 2: Large 3rd Rates 74 & 80 Guns
The End of the game saw me with one 3rd Rate with her Hull torn out by the coast line of one island and The same with one of the British 3rd rates after I de-masted her and she drifted into the island as well. Other British ships were severely damaged in their rigging and my 1st Rate was half way gone from cannon fire... victory to the French this day...
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Another good game last night. Matt and I squared off again with British and French Fleets at 1000 pts. The dice were definitely in my favor and sorry for Matt he could not make a save to save his ships sails.
The game was consistant in weather... Fog and rain for 8 turns and becalmed the next... ugh...
It ended with one of my 3rd rates exploding as a fire hit the powder magazines. All but one of Matt's fleet de-masted and drifting.
I wonder about different ships now... I only have 3rd rates through 1st rates with 1 or 2 4th and 5th rates... I need to get some frigates and unrated vessels to see the difference in sailing and fighting. maybe next time adding upgrades or something.
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What a great game today. Wade and I started out with 1000 points each, British and French ( the only fleets I own) and played the "Pursuit" scenario. WHAT A GREAT TIME... Wade needed to get a selected ship across the board and out of reach of my blockading ships. In the end I left 4 of Wades ships de-masted and one de-crewed with only two escaping the board injured but out of range of my guns. It was one of the ships that made it off the board that was the chosen ship (i did not know which was the one picked)
GREAT GAME... can';t wait till next Tuesday.