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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: Grand Master Steve on April 11, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
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I want to do Elysian Drop Troops but they dont have official rules yet. Even so, their official rules are from Forge World and are not always allowed in tournaments. How should I go about making a list for them with out the Forge World Rules using the Imperial Guard Codex. I know they would all be Veterans, but they do have heavy weapon teams and it looks like not all of them fly in on Valks. Also the list hearts fast attack.
Keep in mind. They make extensive use of Sentinels as well as Valks and Vendettas. Thats already a lot of fast attack slots taken up. Im not sure if squadroning valks is a good idea or not. So im stuck with how I should organize the list to make it efficent, as well as follow the fluff as close as possible.
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Be a man and use the IA rules. A person that would get antsy about you using the IA rules isn't worth playing. I wouldn't cater an army list for 4 games a year.
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yeah theres another problem with the IA list. Its not published. :p I need something to kill my craving!
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Just start painting them up anyways! just start painting up the troops and stuff, and when the book comes out, you'll have a sizeable force. Also, I'm pretty sure Rich, Myself, and just about anyone cool would let you play using the IA list.
Also, it would be pretty epic if your Elysian Drop troops allied with my Kriegsmen.
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Fair enough, ill start by getting Valks. Paul G said Kreig wouldnt work along side elysians because they use persision tactics where as Kreig use trench warfare.
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Fair enough, ill start by getting Valks. Paul G said Kreig wouldnt work along side elysians because they use persision tactics where as Kreig use trench warfare.
They "work" together in the same way that your average space marine chapter and imperial guard regiment "work" together. You nab the objectives and I'll hold em!
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elysians aren't veterans. they are stat-for-stat normal guardsmen, with alternate deployment methods (grav schute deepstriking) and more airborne trasports and support. just use the imperial armor rules. who cares about tournaments.
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Stat for stat I dunno because dont they have 4+ armor saves? And illright ill use the IA rules but theres one problem with that. ITS NOT OUT YET!
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i don't think they have carapace armor, but it's not a huge stretch to use them as veterans or stormtroopers for the time being
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I'd say use them as normal IG stormtroopers for now and when the IA book comes out go with that. Personly I won't have problem against it.
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If you are looking to use them with current rules, infantry platoons with rocket launchers mounted in squadroned valk's. Throw in some special weapon teams of meltas and hw teams of heavy bolters/autocannons you have a good start of a guard list that resembles elysians that is easier for tournament play.
Also, use the IA rules. Play against Rich's real traitor guard for an IA battle of the guardsmen
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I suppose I can just use platoons. but I dunno if Squadroning valks is a good idea. They will have to stay in unit coherency plus I want to use elysian drop sentinels that I would use as scout sentinels. Problem is Scout Sentinels dont get Multi Meltas or Heavy Bolters. I also wouldnt be using any armor since Elysians dont use tanks they use the Buggy Veichle things.
Isnt Rich's army from Vraks? If i were to do a FW fight Elysians fluff wise wernt on Vraks :p
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if you don't use squadrons, you get 3 valkyries max...
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I suppose I can just use platoons. but I dunno if Squadroning valks is a good idea. They will have to stay in unit coherency plus I want to use elysian drop sentinels that I would use as scout sentinels. Problem is Scout Sentinels dont get Multi Meltas or Heavy Bolters. I also wouldnt be using any armor since Elysians dont use tanks they use the Buggy Veichle things.
Isnt Rich's army from Vraks? If i were to do a FW fight Elysians fluff wise wernt on Vraks :p
If I recall, many of the forces from Vraks managed to escape via a warp rift. I don't know if they were all CSMs though.
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if you don't use squadrons, you get 3 valkyries max...
Im aware of this but wouldnt it be easier to pick off my Valks in Squads?
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Squadrons make a 4 on the damage chart a wrecked result. It is basically a trade off of survivablity and for firepower.
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My opinion on matter:
You have 9 valks, 3 in each squadron. You are talking about things dying quickly but you would only have 3 outflank rolls (you roll for the squadron not the unit inside, they have outflank conferred to them because they are mounted)
You can do 1 command platoon in valk and 2 sep inf platoons of PCS and 3 squads with whatever you want to load them out with.
An all vet list is pretty boring (coming from the guy that plays it alot and really looking to change it) and the inf platoon gives your army the flavor I think you are looking for.
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Im not planning on mounting everything in valks. I do plan on having platoons already deployed on the ground in fire lines. Im just not sure how to make the best use of Valks since the Elysians use them the most. I guess i need the IA book for the Sky Talon, and the buggie vieichle rules to provide the armor punch I would need for this list.
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Can any one tell me, is it worth putting heavy bolters on Valkyres?
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Heavy bolters on valks are probably not optimal. That being said, if I ever build mine, it willl have heavy bolter sponsons just because of a certain coolness factor.
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By coolness I mean from a modelling perspective. I would love to make it so renegades are hanging out the side raining death on troops as they fly by. Grinning under they hoods shouting "GET SOME. GET SOME." as they mow down guardsmen.
Str 5 sponsons are barely appealing on a russ and a valk is even less likely to use them.
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Can any one tell me, is it worth putting heavy bolters on Valkyres?
Useless.
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ok cool, when i start assembeling my valks i wont bother with the heavy bolters
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Does any one have any clue about the release date for IA Volume 8? Ive been trying to search the intertubes but Im only finding rumors or confirmations about what it will have.
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The precedent is September. The former 3 IA books were released in that month give or take a month.
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ugh I gotta wait till September to have the rules for Elysians? :'( this makes Steve D unhappy
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So just buy a bunch of dudes and play normal IG with them. It's not like you are trying to emulate a completely different army like renegade guard. *rimshot*
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yeah.... but it makes my head hurt trying to make a viable list using normal guard rules that incorprate so many fast attack choices.
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3 valks / vendettas. 3 squads of vets.
That's the foundation of a viable / hyper competitive IG list.
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It would be nice to see Steve playing something that is considered a powerful list.
Do it, homie.
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well i own 2 valks so far. Im not sure about a Vendetta yet since im not 100% sure if Elysians get them.
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Seeing as they don't really take tanks, Vendettas would be pretty much required.
Also:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops?filter_reset=1 (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops?filter_reset=1)
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I wish we could get FW stuff. Those models are badass.
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Seeing as they don't really take tanks, Vendettas would be pretty much required.
Also:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops?filter_reset=1 (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops?filter_reset=1)
Steve D, I want to see you swarming with Tauros vehicles. Also, Valkyrie Sky Talon?
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I plan on getting 2 Sky Tallons, Tauros Venators, 3 Tauros assult veichles and 3 Drop sentinels. I plan on getting maybe 2 more Valks one of them being a Vendetta again assuming they do get them which I dont see why not.
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I wish we could get FW stuff. Those models are badass.
Those are baddass. Love the wheeled vehicles.
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I plan on making use of the things as soon as they put out the rules.
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Are the Elysian Drop Troops the only regiment of IG to have Sky Talons,venator and assault jeeps or are they "just" the most famous airborne regiment? I have no clue to their fluff except that they're badass paratroopers with gunships.
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I dont know of other regiments that have access to that stuff Ide assume others do and Elysians are just the most famous
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Can any one tell me, is it worth putting heavy bolters on Valkyres?
I tend not to leave home without them. Sometimes they help out great others not so much.
Cheers,
Alan
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I usually put them on my Missle Pod valkyrie.
Firepower under 6 inch's is 9xshots and 2xLarge blast pretty good for 130ish? (no book handy)
I think its comparable to the vendetta in that a vendetta will kill a tank, a valkyrie with pods and bolters will put a good dent in most units. ;D
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But isn't the glory of valks moving 12in and shooting the multi laser or las cannon along with the large blasts since the missile pods are defence weapons?
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yes with Valks you can move flat out shoot a las cannon and fire 2 rocket pods.
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I made the order today. Im starting off with the book for them that came out last week and 3 vendetta conversion packs. My elysians will rock jock with all their air craft.