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Title: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 13, 2010, 09:27:25 AM
anybody have any opinion on the best hq choice for a tournament (especially for blood angels)?

my vote goes to either astorath or mephiston. why? mephiston is just bloody murder and not to mention even if he is a priority target then he still is soaking up a lot of damage allowing other threats to go unanswered for a turn or two at least (t6 with a 2+ and fnp is tough)

astorath is just a solid tournament choice to me beacause it reduces dependency upon priests, rerolls to hit, and his axe is where he really can shine (s6 power weapon, succesful invuls have to be rerolled) this can lay the hurt down on so many marine players (which is 50-75% of a tourney)

so any opinion on these two or another good choice? (maybe seth)

also, feel free to post about your army, maybe we can start a gallery of favorite hqs to lead our armies :D
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 13, 2010, 10:16:19 AM
Hands down the Tau  Ethereal!  :o That's right!

Blood Angel's basic commander with chainsword and pistol and spend the rest of the points on something useful!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grimwulfe on September 13, 2010, 11:46:29 AM
Jeff I must say you are mistaken on the Ethereal.  By far the best HQ is:

IG Lord Commisar with Powerfist.

As for Blood Angeles I agree with Jeff Basic commander powerfist and maybe a combi melta and use rest of th epoints and useful stuff.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 13, 2010, 12:18:08 PM
Aun'va on his pope mobile, hovering power scooter go!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 13, 2010, 04:31:51 PM
looking at ard boyz lists (the tourney where the best comes out) those were the two most common hq choices i saw (2/38 BA lists did not use one of the two across the USA) but the dabate i have is is mephiston too weak to bother? i mean hes t6... but no invul means melta or plasma spam kills him outright, but thats also a turn wasted on trying to kill mephiston and not my other stuff. like in troy and i's last game, i put so much effort on targeting his thunderwolves, i forgot about the other 4/5 of his army  :P

my vote on completely best overall hq/favorite hq for point cost:
1. emperor's champion with the 10pt oath. 100 points gives the whole army a 6+ invulnerable save, the champ has a s6 power weapon and a 2+ armor 4+ invul for the cost of a naked libby or captain

2. lash prince with wings. hes nasty and so many builds out there that make him OP.

3. tie between Njarl stormcaller and the lysander/tigurus combo (courtesy Ben Hong)
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 13, 2010, 05:00:10 PM
Mehpiston is T6 the only thing that can instant kill kim is a forceweapon, JOTWW, or simliar power's.

1.) Not bad but there are better oaths!
2.) Lash with wings better hope he can dodge well, one mechig list will make him a puddle on the ground in short time.
3.) Those are pretty tough guys

Don't look at Ard Boyz as the standard for tough character's its all about the HQ's 'synergy' with the list. A Dark angel commander with a sword and pistol sitting in the back in rhino providing LD10 to all marines is more powerful than a 6+ invul, to a whole army.

Generally stay away from special character's usually they are way to over priced for what they do. Look at Azreal price of a landraider gives what ever squad he links up with a 4+ invul save. Great yea, but when you take 20 wounds from HeavyBolters or simliar it don't mean squat.  
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 13, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
Rogue Psycher.   Especially when it suffers from perils and ascends in daemonhood.

F&*% YEAH!

Or

Exalted Champion with a powersword and bolt pistol.  Weapons of gods wielded by men.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Captain Bryan! on September 13, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
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Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ed on September 13, 2010, 07:09:03 PM
Necron lord
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 13, 2010, 10:01:28 PM
agreed lords are great. my thing with the champ was for the 100 points. 100 is a very cheap cost for a marine that good. there are better oaths but they cost more.

as far as mephiston, hes proved so  far to do exactly what i wanted: soak up the pounding turns one and two (the turns that are crucial for me to get to your line and start swinging away
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grand Master Steve on September 13, 2010, 11:23:31 PM
Relic Blade Storm Shield Captain. Its nasty and legal. I like to go with a Bolt Pistol and Power Weapon captain myself. Myabe digital lasers
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Mattarias on September 14, 2010, 07:55:45 AM
Aesthetically and in theory? The Living Saint.

In reality? The Cannoness.  :-\

Toughness three suuucks.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 14, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
Go with Mephiston, he's way too good.

Now, my favorite would happen to be my Death Korps officer, equipped with..... a power weapon. Thats it.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ed on September 14, 2010, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: Opforce3 on September 14, 2010, 04:36:23 PM
Go with Mephiston, he's way too good.

Now, my favorite would happen to be my Death Korps officer, equipped with..... a power weapon. Thats it.
I've had an officer kill a hive tyrant in CC anything is possible in the land of Warcraft I mean warhammer
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 14, 2010, 08:53:24 PM
it is impossible for an officer to kill mephiston though (so long as they are still s3) unless you can roll a 7 on a d6  :P 

suck it imperial guard, shouldve drank some gene seed juice  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ian Mulligan on September 14, 2010, 09:15:05 PM
You need to read a rulebook.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 14, 2010, 09:23:12 PM
over what ian? ive read it before if you mean the gene seed juice thing... the s3 i am correct, mephiston is t6 which on the wound chart means he cant be hurt by any s3 attacks..

see:
   t 1  2  3  4  5  6
s
1   4  5  6  -  -  -
2   3  4  5  6  -  -
3   2  3  4  5  6 -
4   2  2  3  4  5  6

so even s4 its pretty tough to kill him. he defies death, slaughters orks and rips land raiders in half with his bare hands  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ian Mulligan on September 14, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180126_Warhammer_40,000_(5th_Edition)_Reference_Sheet.pdf
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 14, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
that blows... im probablly thinking of mordheim or fantasy then. damn, mephiston needs a bike or mount now...
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grand Master Steve on September 14, 2010, 10:09:45 PM
Disagree. Mephiston is a beast. I dont think many rival chaos characters can best him short of Abadon.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 14, 2010, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 14, 2010, 08:53:24 PM
it is impossible for an officer to kill mephiston though (so long as they are still s3) unless you can roll a 7 on a d6  :P 

suck it imperial guard, shouldve drank some gene seed juice  ;D

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Though my guards may sleep and ships may lie at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.

The brute of mutants are nothing to the might of the mechanicus' wares.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 14, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: Grand Master Steve on September 14, 2010, 10:09:45 PM
Disagree. Mephiston is a beast. I dont think many rival chaos characters can best him short of Abadon.

Who needs characters when you have a Warptiming Daemon Prince of Tzeentch?
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 14, 2010, 10:24:15 PM
out of curiosity, where is everyone getting those sanguinius models and does he have stats in any books? thatd be awesome to field him at the megabattle! (even though hes dead and wouldnt make much sense...). i want that model so bad!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ian Mulligan on September 14, 2010, 10:36:57 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 14, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
that blows... im probablly thinking of mordheim or fantasy then. damn, mephiston needs a bike or mount now...

These games all use the same chart.

Quote from: the_trooper on September 14, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
Quote from: Grand Master Steve on September 14, 2010, 10:09:45 PM
Disagree. Mephiston is a beast. I dont think many rival chaos characters can best him short of Abadon.

Who needs characters when you have a Warptiming Daemon Prince of Tzeentch?


I totally love that the mediocrity of my troops allows for my BUSTED WIDE OPEN HQ to be overlooked.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 14, 2010, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 14, 2010, 10:24:15 PM
out of curiosity, where is everyone getting those sanguinius models and does he have stats in any books? thatd be awesome to field him at the megabattle! (even though hes dead and wouldnt make much sense...). i want that model so bad!

Just show interest and someone will show the models.  They are "Blood knight" or some other deviation of the term.  They are not GW IP which means just keep your eyes open if you are looking for them.   I have a "Fallen Son" and Lee has a "Plague Father" or some such.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 14, 2010, 11:13:41 PM
oh, so its not an old gw model? is it a reaper model named "blood knight"? i might have to order one myself next time im in store. is it an option to field him in the megabattle if i found a reasonable profile (librarium online had a great sounding one)
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 14, 2010, 11:19:54 PM
It's not reaper either.  It's some dude that does it.  Actually a whole bunch of people do it on the down low.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Captain Bryan! on September 15, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
Quote from: Grand Master Steve on September 14, 2010, 10:09:45 PM
Disagree. Mephiston is a beast. I dont think many rival chaos characters can best him short of Abadon.
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Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grimwulfe on September 15, 2010, 11:30:00 AM
I have a great russian contact that I got Leman Russ,  Nurgle Primarch and the Emporer from...

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 15, 2010, 02:06:20 PM
how much were they in usd? id love to field sanguinius at the megabattle alongside my army and a titan. thatd be freakin sweet  :o
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Chase on September 15, 2010, 02:41:41 PM
Maybe I'm overtired or something but today this thread has been entertaining.  I feel like ownage is being dished out everywhere.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 15, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
indeed it does chase   ::)

im considering dropping the hurricane bolters on my stormraven for the sanguinor (you know the beastly hq choice for blood angels everyone seems to forget about because of mephiston and astorath...)
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 17, 2010, 02:36:23 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 14, 2010, 08:53:24 PM
it is impossible for an officer to kill mephiston though (so long as they are still s3) unless you can roll a 7 on a d6  :P 

suck it imperial guard, shouldve drank some gene seed juice  ;D

I will stab him to death with bayonets any day of the week.

Also, the Sanguinor isn't that good for 2 big reason. First, he is not an independent character and thus can't join units. He can get picked out really easily. Secondly, he only has 3 wounds at T4, just like a normal Space Marine commander. He's a glass hammer. Mephiston is foolproof, but he's not quite unkillable.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 17, 2010, 03:08:21 PM
mephiston is just too rockin' to refuse huh? i wonder what the dark eldar and grey knights will bring to the power creep. i still find it hilarious everytime i see the gw character focus article on dark eldar and they brag about the best 1 wound model  :D
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Ahriman can kill Mephiston with one spell;

Gift of choas

No armour save, no invul, you get one chance to nullify it or your a spawn

oh yea and he cast it 3 times in one round.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 17, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Ahriman can kill Mephiston with one spell;

Gift of choas

No armour save, no invul, you get one chance to nullify it or your a spawn

oh yea and he cast it 3 times in one round.

why am i not playing chaos marines again?
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 17, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 17, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Ahriman can kill Mephiston with one spell;

Gift of choas

No armour save, no invul, you get one chance to nullify it or your a spawn

oh yea and he cast it 3 times in one round.

why am i not playing chaos marines again?

Ever try to experiment in a vacuum?
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 17, 2010, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 17, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 03:15:49 PM
Ahriman can kill Mephiston with one spell;

Gift of choas

No armour save, no invul, you get one chance to nullify it or your a spawn

oh yea and he cast it 3 times in one round.

why am i not playing chaos marines again?

meh
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 06:11:11 PM
Last Choas codex was good, the current one is kinda bland.

The best summary I've heard about the current choas codex was

"Wow, look they took the choas out of choas"
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 17, 2010, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: jhobin on September 17, 2010, 06:11:11 PM
Last Choas codex was good, the current one is kinda bland.

The best summary I've heard about the current choas codex was

"Wow, look they took the choas out of choas"

I don't know what you mean.  Slaanesh and Khorne are old college buddies and always have been!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 18, 2010, 01:22:04 AM
Real space marines are'nt traitors, only cowards in power armor. bumps aside though, here is what i have found about marines:
blood angels - fast and strong
black templars - vanillas with oaths
chaos marines - vanillas with chaos god flavor
dark angels - i see scoring terminators that arent split into two types of squads
space wolves - you charge they charge, they ride wolves that own face
ultramarines - basically, the most versatile army this side of the bolter
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 20, 2010, 02:59:03 PM
Marines are wimps, who needs power armor. Sun's out, Guns out.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Rurouni Benshin on September 21, 2010, 12:15:02 PM
Cato Sicarius was what sold me on Ultramarines.  From a practical standpoint, he isn't an overly powerful named IC, but one that's balanced in his own way that matches both the fluff and general game play.  The bonuses he gives to a list are average at best, and his wargear and Special Rules aren't that different from the other named IC's in the SM codex, save for Calgar and Lysander who both have Eternal Warrior.

I just enjoyed the exploits that were accounted for by him in the codex a lot, and the opening picture of him and his battle company on pages 18 and 19 were just so enthralling and captivating to me. 

Captain Cato Sicarius: Hands down my favorite.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 21, 2010, 09:17:57 PM
I used to follow an apostate cardinal branded arch-heretic.

Now he is a spawn.

My favorite HQ is now a Chaos Spawn.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ed on September 22, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
So if that is true I change my answer from a Necron lord to a squig refer to the ork codex
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 23, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
SUN'S OUT, GUNS OUT.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Captain Bryan! on September 26, 2010, 01:59:11 AM
My Favorite HQ:
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Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on September 26, 2010, 09:19:51 AM
Quote from: Opforce3 on September 23, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
SUN'S OUT, GUNS OUT.

DAMN RIGHT!
(http://i29.tinypic.com/zvyjgz.jpg)
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: deathwatch101 on September 26, 2010, 11:07:23 PM
i hav to go wit yarick for best commander i mean really he  rerolls to hit he has a strength  6 attack 6 attacks on the charge and has a 4 out of 6 chance to stand back up after he gets slain
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 29, 2010, 08:19:06 PM
yarrick isnt really that good...
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 29, 2010, 08:25:24 PM
from reading all the codexes, ive came to the decision that nids have the best hq choice as far as raw power, best synergy/leader is the sanguinor hands down.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Achillius on September 29, 2010, 10:04:19 PM
Hmm, I have to say my Trusty Emperors Champion.
   At 90 base, he can beat the snot outta a fair enemy and provide an army boost, from a 6+ invulnerable save to preferred enemy for the whole Army...

He is pure character for the crusaders of the Black Templars..
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 29, 2010, 10:15:58 PM
Ok so we got some cool stuff, but... What is the WORST hq choice? this is already going to be a good one i can tell...  ;D

my vote - death company tycho, after everything they give you in the ba codex, they give tycho almost as some sick joke to stain the codex's cheese with utter crap. no IC, useless special rules and wargear, why bother when everything else is a better choice?
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grimwulfe on September 30, 2010, 09:19:08 AM
Logan Grimnar is by far the worst HQ in the game. 
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 30, 2010, 09:32:38 AM
Swarmlord!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 30, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
i thought swarmlord was pretty good, depending on what youre going for... now i gotta take him apart and make a tyrant...  :'(

tycho far out sucks just about anything. the other two non-IC blood angels (and even compared to all non-IC) are vast lightyears over and above his potential. death company is just a n00b trap gw put in there so new players wouldnt abuse the codex
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Opforce3 on September 30, 2010, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 30, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
tycho far out sucks just about anything. the other two non-IC blood angels (and even compared to all non-IC) are vast lightyears over and above his potential. death company is just a n00b trap gw put in there so new players wouldnt abuse the codex

Or mabe the book was written without the idea of die-hard competetion or army lists based purely on raw statistics.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on September 30, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
i dont care about raw power and competitiveness.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on September 30, 2010, 01:41:11 PM
Eldrad!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Grimwulfe on October 01, 2010, 09:29:03 AM
Ok ok I see where this is going.  By far the worst HQ is Abaddon the Despoiler.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ed on October 01, 2010, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 30, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
i dont care about raw power and competitiveness.
haha really ...."reads thread"
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: jhobin on October 01, 2010, 12:55:26 PM
Worst? gotta be Gazghull Thraka Hands down!
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: Ian Mulligan on October 01, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
Ahriman is so overpowered I feel dirty using him.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: skavengear on October 01, 2010, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Ed on October 01, 2010, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: SkavenKnight on September 30, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
i dont care about raw power and competitiveness.
haha really ...."reads thread"

yes really sir.
Title: Re: Poll: favorite hq/best hq choice
Post by: the_trooper on October 01, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: Ian Mulligan on October 01, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
Ahriman is so overpowered I feel dirty using him.

True Story.


Abbaddon is garbage, on the other hand.