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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: Chase on June 06, 2011, 05:22:24 PM
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I just got off the phone with my rep and he had some interesting news for me regarding how GW is going to handle their new product releases...
Instead of allowing us to order advanced copies of the new products and announcing their releases a month or two or three in advance, they are now going to announce them about 10 days - 1 week prior to the day they go on sale. They will first be shown on their website or in that months White Dwarf.
He told me this is in an effort to take a "Shock and Awe" approach which will hopefully drive people to their stores to pre-order stuff right away, and presumably, to increase WD sales.
I think that I think this sucks. It seems like this is a lot more work on me, especially because I don't know anything about the games. Normally I can ask around and get people's "take" on new figures, have time to see and hear from people before ordering, and typically get a good idea of how people think and feel about various models before having to order them. Now I'll have to base orders on what I think looks cool or seems cool.
Personally I think the advanced copies of new Army Books sent more people to the store and was responsible for far more preorders than this approach ever could be... but maybe I'm wrong...
Worst of all, it sort of forces me (and everyone else) to pay more attention to the rumor mills.
I've been totally fine with the GW changes other than this..... hopefully it all works out fine.
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Ouch ya this kinda sucks in my opinion. Given 2 months for a new model or set coming out I can set the money aside for it if I want. Having a week kinda just shuts out that option. Still waiting on you Librarian on a Motorcycle :/.
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I can see, or at least view, what GW is thinking. If the rumors/pics appear first then the community at large will develop a collective group think.
This does suck for retailers as this does force the issue of ordering "off the hip". This could also be in line with GW regulating online site to sell in their respective countries (i.e. theWarstore only in the US); streaming this to be more constrictive to outlets as well. Possibly to gain more orders through GW online? I don't know and am just piecing together thoughts.
All in all, I would suggest at ordering the army books and if the community mentions something or posts on the forums take that into account. Most new armies are only new releases of models usually a troop, elite, and heavy/fast; most people, myself included, will paint the existing models in order to get ready for the release. I just pray Orks do not come out soon.....200 models still to go.
-Mark
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I actually brought that up to him. I told him that it's unfortunate that my customers will no longer be able to slowly save for the new army they want because they've had 2 months notice...
The more I think about it the more I feel like it's nothing but downside.
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I'm pretty sure Orks are a long way out. No worries there. :)
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Chase
I have to agree with everything you post here. I was one of the very very few that felt all of the recent changes that GW has been making were very smart decisions (including the ill timed price increase). I felt this new direction was unusually smart for GW. I was looking forward to what other decisions the apparently new GW management was going to make.
This however is pure stupidity; one of the great things about giving stores preview copies and pics on the website was that it gave people a chance to save money to dump a bunch of it on new models come release date. Giving people months to salivate over something generates more sales. Both long and short term; there is literally no advantage to this.
In my opinion this is spawning from the most recent experiment with the Dark Eldar models not many people heard anything about the most recent releases until BAM there they were.
This will only work for an already released army; I hope they don't try this with a new army and a new book. ???
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GW is a cyclic, fickle whore.
This sound a lot like what they used to do. It gives them (GW) as a direct seller a leg up.
On the upside, they will do something awesome in about 4 years time. So I suppose there is that.
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games workshop pushes me more away yet again.
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GW blows goats. I have proof.
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Man, do I love this Gun Carriage I had rules for two months before it came out as well as an idea of what it would be like 4 months out.
This is another time where GW completely ignores its connection to their fans.
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It gives them (GW) as a direct seller a leg up.
This is an absolute fact... and unfortunate for us.
Although I'm proud to say that Plainville is coming off one of our best GW weeks (excluding DE and GK release weeks, of course) thanks to Finecast, which people seem to love.
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Man, do I love this Gun Carriage I had rules for two months before it came out as well as an idea of what it would be like 4 months out.
This is another time where GW completely ignores its connection to their fans.
Man, do I love ALL METAL MODELS YEAHHHH WE'RE GONNA DEPLETE THE WORLD OF PEWTER.
... oh wait. j/k.
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Man, do I love this Gun Carriage I had rules for two months before it came out as well as an idea of what it would be like 4 months out.
This is another time where GW completely ignores its connection to their fans.
Man, do I love ALL METAL MODELS YEAHHHH WE'RE GONNA DEPLETE THE WORLD OF PEWTER.
... oh wait. j/k.
YOU CAN'T SPELL PEWTER WITHOUT PEW(PEW)!
But seriously, all hyperbolic crap aside, it does make me happy I picked up Warmachine. Besides having to hang out with Rick more.
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I guess the whole shock and awe thing would work for people that are impulsive buyers/people with lots of disposable income. However, I'm not an impulsive buyer and I unfortunately have about 5 dollars to my name.
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You have finally shattered my self-esteem, I hope you are proud of yourself!
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You have finally shattered my self-esteem, I hope you are proud of yourself!
Rick is the definition of shock and awe.
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WHAT!?!?!?!
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WHAT!?!?!?!
I lol'd.
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Rick, you know I love you.
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How am I supposed to switch armies when I don't even know what they do?!
I actually like this, I think the maitre fun about new stuff is the discussions and rumors about new models, I know it gets me more excited wondering what it will do then knowing what it will do.
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So gw s customer service is starting to suck again. Good there rules tend to get better when that happens. Though it sucks for chase. Chase if you have questions feel free to ask.
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Shock and Awe? More like Shock and Dismay.
I too am glad I'm starting up Warmachine.
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Shock and Awe? More like Shock and Dismay.
I too am glad I'm starting up Warmachine.
Real men play hordes!
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Real insecure men play cryx so our skill never comes in question. Oh, and we got a Jack marshal, yipee!
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Real men play noob kings
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real men play mercs and gatormen
Yeah! Especially when its two of the best casters... oh, wait.
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pity my army isnt made of men its made of Dwarfs and Ogres. Now that the mega battle is out of the way I can put some needed attention into their painting
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If Dave Goss isn't the manliest man troll you've ever seen, you're blind, cause I'm famous!
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pity my army isnt made of men its made of Dwarfs and Ogres. Now that the mega battle is out of the way I can put some needed attention into their painting
I'd like to see Steve D play / paint some Circle stuff up. Wolves dude. WOLVES!
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pity my army isnt made of men its made of Dwarfs and Ogres. Now that the mega battle is out of the way I can put some needed attention into their painting
I'd like to see Steve D play / paint some Circle stuff up. Wolves dude. WOLVES!
While I like the scary werewolves my achilies heal seems to be painting non arnored humans. I just can't get it to look good.
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As soon as I get back from china I will be starting the Circle.
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ask dave to teach you he is a good teacher.
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thx for the advice. oh yeah because I was bored I also created a tier 4 35pt list with the caster that I what to use, is that a good thing?
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i dont know i would ask dave
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Tier lists are a reward to the player who wants to be fluffy. Over taking optimized lists. And by reward, I mean typically lower point costs, allow more of the same unit to be taken, and the most common +1 to see who goes first.
If you want to learn, I'd be happy to help, but any of the regulars in Abington on Thursday are of good help (Ian, Rich, Matt, Ed, Robby, Drew, and myself) really anyone but Rick. :P
Robby and Ed are my star pupils, and Ian taught me, so there's a chain of success.
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I'll see if I can be there when I come back in July.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isXNJMhBteY&feature=player_embedded#at=602
Very Interesting Video about an open Letter to Games Workshop about their recent policies. I know it is posted by a Canadian Miniature Gaming Store/Site but they say some really good thoughts about it.
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ask dave to teach you he is a good teacher.
You mean ask him to teach me how to paint non armored humans? and Dave who? If its Goss ill pass.
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I have retired from teaching. I blame blatant stupidity on the part of the human race.
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ask dave to teach you he is a good teacher.
You mean ask him to teach me how to paint non armored humans? and Dave who? If its Goss ill pass.
I'll put you on the defered list. They always come back.
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Im sure you can re-teach me how to play the game again Dave. I hold painting to a higher standard since I suck at the games them selves.
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My standards are you have it painted so in a glance you know who/what it is. My gameplay standards, are significantly higher than that. I also hate losing more than chase.
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Proof: Failure to play any warcasters the internet does not consider unfair.
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What he said ^
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My standards are you have it painted so in a glance you know who/what it is. My gameplay standards, are significantly higher than that. I also hate losing more than chase.
While we are at it, I would like to ride in and win the Tour De France.
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While we are at it, I would like to ride in and win the Tour De France.
In your dreams!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rzg3esJaaU
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Proof: Failure to play any warcasters the internet does not consider unfair.
ooo....considering the warcasters I use are not considered broken by the internet I have problems
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You're "that Searforge guy". Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
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You're "that Searforge guy". Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
when I play its to enjoy my time not getting to go "OMFG My list is teh bestest you should not play this game cause i am going to beat your face every game!"
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You're "that Searforge guy". Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
when I play its to enjoy my time not getting to go "OMFG My list is teh bestest you should not play this game cause i am going to beat your face every game!"
Then you shouldn't be playing WARMACHINE. METAL!
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Then you shouldn't be playing WARMACHINE. EGO!
Fixed that for you.
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You're "that Searforge guy". Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
when I play its to enjoy my time not getting to go "OMFG My list is teh bestest you should not play this game cause i am going to beat your face every game!"
Yeah. I know. I was pointing that out.
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Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
steve d is your mom?
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You're "that Searforge guy". Everyone likes the look of your army and thinks your a cool dude, but feels bad knowing that no matter what you're going to get rolled hard.
when I play its to enjoy my time not getting to go "OMFG My list is teh bestest you should not play this game cause i am going to beat your face every game!"
Yeah. I know. I was pointing that out.
ooooohhhhh ok