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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: Sekacnap on June 13, 2011, 10:33:07 AM
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Hey guys I'm fairly new to warhammer and have started putting together a daemon army. I know they're not the easiest army to start with but I love their fluff, and find their mechanics very interesting (initial deployment has never been my strong point so deep striking everything works well for me). Right now what i currently own is:
1 x Bloodthirster
20 x Bloodletters
10 x Pink Horrors
Flamers of Tzeentch are probably going to be my next purchase. So considering what I have, I'm looking for some ideas on how to build the rest of my army and what kind of units work well together. I got the horrors (mostly because BG was sold out of flamers, sadface) and because I needed some dakka and they seemed to get the job done. Along with the flamers I plan on picking up plaguebearers and a soul grinder at some point, but I'm unsure as to what units actually work well together. I can read the book and each unit's stats till my eyes fall out but I'm not versed well enough in the game to figure out strategies by looking at stats alone. I've done a fair share of proxy play with some plaguebearers before and they seem fairly staple for contesting points but they've never seemed to do much of anything for me so I'm not sure if I'm just using them wrong or what.
All this being said, any hints, tips and suggestions on how to build/play daemons would be very helpful.
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If you come down to Battlegrounds on Thursday nights you will most likely find Ben who plays daemons as well. You should try watching some games that he plays for pointers on how to use your army, and of course PLAY to learn what works best for you. I also think another guy plays daemons too, though I don't know his name. I am a relatively new player in the 40k department too, and you can find me most Thursday nights at Battlegrounds as well.
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I might be the other guy, not sure though. You are going to love daemons they are a blast to play. The first thing you will learn is prepare to be underwhelmed with their shooing. I run a khorne heavy list. This would be much easier in person. I don't come down Thursday much as Plainville is about 40min away but I do come in on Saturdays often. I also play In almost every 40k tourney. Hope to meet you soon.
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how competitive are daemonettes in 40k? are they garbage?
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Nothing in the book is garbage except for beasts of nurgle and furies. It all depends on what type of list the person is fielding.
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Yeah I plan on coming down this thursday to check things out. And I know what you mean about their shooting, I've had good experiences while proxying flamers but haven't tried out the pink horrors yet. I figured I'd need SOME sort of ballistics and my research showed them to be the go-to ranged unit for daemons. As you can see I'm going for mostly khorne as well and from the little I've played, everything usually ends up getting shot to pieces before they can do much. So I figured some range support might be nice to have.
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The only thing that I notice is that you may need some mobility. but I don't play daemons.. so yeah. :P
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Very good start to an army.
Elites units are where Daemons are freakin' awesome (except Beast of Nurgle).
Fiends bring lots of speed and rending attacks. Bloodcrushers are very durable and scary in their own right. Flamers can be good; while much better as anti-infantry, glances can help if you are lucky enough to stun or immobilize a vehicle.
HQ
So many choices! This almost requires its own discussion. Make sure you investigate Heralds, as they're fantastic for their points cost. If you roll dice poorly (like me), Fateweaver may be worth the cost. I love Bloodthirsters.
Troops
No real bad option. Bring an Icon in each wave. Nurglings and Plaguebearers are great at holding objectives. Bloodletters kill like no one's business. Pink Horrors bring the only shooting option. Daemonettes are my least favorite choice because of T3, but they're fast and bring lots of attacks, if they live. :P
Heavy Support
Daemon Princes can be great, but up being overpriced. For what the Soul Grinder does with the Phlegm upgrade, I think it's a solid value.
Fast Attack
Hmm. You still have points left? Kind of the last slot to get consideration. Screamers of Tzeentch. Cheap and they have many uses.
I'll be rolling the Daemons out for a 1500 point game Thursday afternoon, and I'll likely find in the evening a 2000 game to practice for the upcoming tournament.
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Sweet, thanks for the advice it was quite helpful! Just finished putting together all my pink horrors today so all I have left is to finish assembling my bloodthirster that has been left half finished for little over a year now (tried to get into 40k earlier but didn't have a place or people to play with so I put it off).
I was also wondering, does the store have a pc with army builder or some similar application for making quick lists while you're there? I want to put together a list and using something like army builder would make things so much easier but I don't feel like paying $40 for it when I could buy a whole box of models for the same price. So are there any free alternatives?
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Ahh the same Conundrum I am in. Yes 40$ may seem like a lot but really no free alternative except maybe finding an excel spreadsheet of some sort online. I tend to use the demo version of Army Builder and either Pen and Paper the rest or use an excel spreadsheet at the moment. Very convenient to use though.
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to bad gw is cheap as fuck and you guys dont get ibodger
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http://www.alice40k.tripod.com/calculators.html
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http://www.alice40k.tripod.com/calculators.html
I punched in a Bloodthirster with Blessing of the Blood God and Unholy Might as a test, and the sheet gave me the wrong point values. Pen and paper wins again. The store does have a calculator one can borrow as well.
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Man up and buy army builder its the best thing out there.
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Man up and buy army builder its the best thing out there.
+1. It's honestly the best way to build lists and to learn the armies of your respective lists as well. I think it's $10 to sign up, and then you're good for a year. Renewal fee is/should be the same. You get all the updates regularly, and it can be used for more than just 40K games (Fantasy, FoW, and LOTR to name a few).
Also worth noting is that for every license you subscribe for, you can install it on two computers. FYI.
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Its $39.95 for army builder for the license for a year of updates as soon as you buy it I think it runs full version you just can't update after a year. It is a good buy but its come down to would you rather get the minis now or the convenience of building an army list.
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Playing around with army lists will also make sure you purchasing the correct minis
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http://www.alice40k.tripod.com/calculators.html
I punched in a Bloodthirster with Blessing of the Blood God and Unholy Might as a test, and the sheet gave me the wrong point values. Pen and paper wins again. The store does have a calculator one can borrow as well.
I'm not going to lie I've only really ever used the Tau one which is accurate.
I checked what you checked, It seems like they forgot to add in the point value of Unholy Might. The Calcs definitely aren't perfect, Spelling errors galore. However, I don't use them for the math aspect. only because they help me organize what's in my head. Doesn't mean you can't use them but if you do keep your eyes peeled.
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Playing around with army lists will also make sure you purchasing the correct minis
This 100%. Whether you use Army Builder, faux builders or pen and paper, it's very important to figure out what will work and what one will enjoy *before* buying it... unless one is hugely rich.
Pen and paper makes me learn lists and point values faster than telling a program to do it. And as demonstrated, programs can be wrong. The only way to know if they're right is to double-check against the book.
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I'm not going to lie I've only really ever used the Tau one which is accurate.
I'll have to double check when I get home, but if I'm looking at it correctly they mis-priced a few things from the Tau codex as well.
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yeah i just ended up grabbing army builder from a friend, so I should be able to put a list together and post it soon. Got into an accident today but luckily my car runs perfectly fine so I'll still be able to hop by the store to check out the tourney, can't wait! I've got to learn how these things run.
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If you're looking to see how the game works or even just how Daemons work I suggest coming to the Plainville store on a Thursday night or the Abington store any time on Saturday.
The tournament days are cool for seeing what a player's army looks like, but they aren't so great for learning how things work.
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Buy a codex; learn to add, subtract, and read for only $30 , with battleground's low prices and all those benefits why wouldn't you buy four? Pen and paper is for real men, and me...
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Ya Stop by Tomorrow Ben is definitely going to be playing so you get a feel how daemons work and I know people will be at least playing one other game around the store so come check it out.
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Buy a codex; learn to add, subtract, and read for only $30 , with battleground's low prices and all those benefits why wouldn't you buy four? Pen and paper is for real men, and me...
Or the poor!
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Buy a codex; learn to add, subtract, and read for only $30 , with battleground's low prices and all those benefits why wouldn't you buy four? Pen and paper is for real men, and me...
Or the poor!
I use the entire Microsoft Office Suite to write my army lists.
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Buy a codex; learn to add, subtract, and read for only $30 , with battleground's low prices and all those benefits why wouldn't you buy four? Pen and paper is for real men, and me...
Or the poor!
I use the entire Microsoft Office Suite to write my army lists.
I use all of Adobe CS5.
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I use Xbox Live.
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I use the entire Microsoft Office Suite to write my army lists.
Would that include PowerPoint? Because a slide presentation at the start of every game would be awful/awesome.
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I use the entire Microsoft Office Suite to write my army lists.
Would that include PowerPoint? Because a slide presentation at the start of every game would be awful/awesome.
Why do you think they have that LCD on the wall?
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Finished putting together my bloodthirster last night at BG and put some Flamers on backorder, finally starting to get some semblance of an army!
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Yay! Army! (Sry, just had to post from China)
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Yay! Army! (Sry, just had to post from China)
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Oh snap sick em!
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Alright, just put together a list last night, It looks like this so far:
HQ:
Bloodthirster 250
- Death Strike 20
- Unholy Might 20
Herald of Khorne 70
- Fury of Khorne 10
- Death Strike 15
- Iron Hide 15
- Unholy Might 15
Herald of Tzeentch 50
- Bolt of Tzeentch 30
- Breath of Chaos 30
- Boon of Mutation 30
Elite
3x Flamers of Tzeentch 135
- Bolt of Tzeentch 30
Troops
10x Bloodletters 160
- Fury of Khorne 10
- Instrument of Chaos 5
9x Bloodletters 144
- Fury of Khorne 10
- Instrument of Chaos 5
5x Pink Horrors 85
- Bolt of Tzeentch 10
- changeling 5
4x Pink Horrors 68
- Bolt of Tzeentch 10
*EDIT* Had to take one bloodletter and pink horror out since I don't have extra models for the heralds so I'll have to use one of each of the normal troop models.
If I did my math correctly the list comes out to 1221pts. I might be able to squeeze out 1500pts if I add every option available on everything just for the sake of adding points, but i'm not sure if its more worth it to do that or just buy a few more models and make up the point difference with another squad or elite. Likewise, i could also easily cut down on a few hundred points for a 1000pt army by getting rid of an HQ and a model here and there in my troop choices (maybe two groups of 8 bloodletters?). So, what do you think? Comments, advice?
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You are certainly on your way. If that is what u have for models you off to a good start I won't flood you with tactical advise. I would say make your investment a new unit instead of stretching it. I would suggest either a heavy (grinder or prince) or another elite fiends or crushers are your friend.
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I agree with Bill. You are most certainly on your way. Also, bodies > upgrades.
There aren't too many 1,000 point lists that can effectively deal with a Bloodthirster. :)
1250 is a common number, and you're just a couple upgrades from that. Drop Fury on your Bloodletters and give them Icons, ta da!