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Games Workshop => Warhammer Fantasy => Topic started by: Frosthydra on November 15, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
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Hi Everyone,
I'm starting up a Skaven army, partially by chance, and partially because they just sound hilarious. I was wondering what people's thoughts were on this for a start, it's pretty much just the IoB Skaven with a Battalion and some other random parts. If you have any suggestions on what would be good to add from here, or if you think I could re-build things in a better fashion, let me know!
Heroes / Lords:
IoB Warlord
IoB Warlock Engineer
Warlock Engineer
Ikit Claw
Deathmaster Snikch
Skaven Warlord (on order)
Skaven Grey Seer (on order)
Core:
20 IoB Clanrats w/ Hand Weapon and Shield (with standard, champ and musi)
20 IoB Clanrats w/ Spear and Shield (with standard, champ and musi)
40 Clanrats w/ Spear and Shield (with standard, champ and musi)
20 Clanrats w/ Hand Weapon and Shield
40 Stormvermin w/ Halberd and Shield (with standard, champ and musi)
IoB Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team
4 IoB Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team
Ratling Gun Weapon Team
Special:
20 Plague Monks (with standard, champ and musi)
2 IoB Rat Ogres w/ Master Moulder (Shock Prod)
2 Rat Ogres w/ Master Moulder (Things-Catcher)
6 Giant Rats w/ 2 Packmasters
6 Warplock Jezzails
Rare:
Doomwheel
Warp Lightning Cannon
They're almost all built too, just finishing up the Stormvermin now. And... well, I haven't build Deathmaster or the Jezzails... since I don't have them yet.
Personally I seem to be more partial to Clan Skryre, so I think I'd be adding in more of their (potentially self-destructive) weaponry to the army, I'm kind of leaning towards a Warp Lightning Cannon and a Doomwheel... but again, I'm kind of just working off of "Hey that sounds shiny / fun!"
If anyone has any thoughts on what to add / where to go from here (or other weapon teams, etc), I'm open to any suggestions or critiques!
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You've come to the right place.
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Rares are absolutely the best part of your army.
If you like clan skyre, I would suggest 2 Warp Lightning Cannons and 2 Doomwheels.
I also recommend a Grey Seer as a lord.
Lastly, clan rat units need to be large, and Hand weapon/shield is the way to go (though you can always fill in the back ranks with guys with spears).
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Yeah, I've been looking into a Grey Seer, but unfortunately, you can only order blisters... and I really only want one of the two variants that are out there. Oh well, I'll have to bite the bullet and go random chance I suppose. :P
Yeah, I wasn't sure on which is better, spears or hand weapons. I liked the sound of spears (since you get another rank that can attack, correct?), what is the benefit to using hand weapons instead? Also, how large are we talking for Clanrat units number-wise? And here I was thinking 80 was a good start, heh. I guess the same question also applies to Stormvermin.
Warp Lightning Cannons and Doomwheels do sound quite fun, I'll have to see what I can pick up once I finish off assembling the rest of my current army.
Also, forgot that I have Plague Monks, updating the first post now.
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80 is a good start! but each unit should be 25+, mine are usually 30+.
And don't forget slaves!!!
Slaves are arguably the best unit you have.
HW/Sheild gives you a 6+ parry save. Spears mean you get more STR 3 attacks, which rarely does anything. You can make some nice combat characters to get you some kills. The Clanrats just need to stay alive.
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Well damn, now I'm a bit aggravated with myself that I built the 40 with spears. :( Oh well, live and learn I suppose.
I'll admit to overlooking Skavenslaves, I didn't see much of a benefit to them... what did I miss?
Do you have suggestions on specific characters to look into? I've been rather enamored with Assassins and Warlock Engineers, but I'm more than open to other ideas!
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You can use the models with spears also (just put them in the back ranks, it might actually look cooler like that!).
Slaves are excellent at delaying units so that your cannon's + magic can whittle them down.
I always have at least 1 engineer and 1 assassin in my list.
My assassin usually has a potion of STR and the weeping blades.
My engineer, usually has a Doomrocket + condenser(if he is a wizard)
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Hmm... trying to think here. 60 rats with spears. 20 with hand weapons.
So... perhaps split the groups out into 20 hand, 10 spears.
So I'd only need about 100 more normal clanrats... no big deal! ;)
Perhaps 20 and 20 would be better, haha.
I guess it's quite worth asking, since I'm new to the game / system, is there a max limit on amount of models in any one unit?
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Generally no. Some bigger events like to restrict things a bit, so they aren't that silly.
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Random Skaven related question: Can you still fire into units engaged in hand-to-hand?
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Depends on the unit, some Skaven units have "Life Is Cheap" or similar abilities that do let you.
Poisoned Wind Globadiers come to mind, maybe Poisoned Wind Mortars too.
I think you're allowed to fire into Skavenslaves that are in melee too... but I could be wrong.
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this thread makes me sick lol
edit: you're right frosthydra, you can shoot into combats if the only friendly units are slaves.
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Psh, why does the thread make you sick? You have something against Skaven? :(
I'm mostly just playing them for the sake of "I can blow myself up too? AWESOME!"
I thought so about the slaves and firing into them, I just forgot to check the codex after posting, whoops. ::)
EDIT: Updated the main count for new shinies.
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Psh, why does the thread make you sick? You have something against Skaven? :(
lol, the entire world has something against skaven. it was a joke, don't take it too seriously. just a bit of good natured ribbing thats all. its alway good to see the fantasy community expanding, lord knows we need it!
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Lol, I didn't take it too seriously, don't worry about that. Besides, Skaven are very hateable.
Hell, most Skaven don't even like other Skaven! :)
It's funny, I didn't even think I had that much in the lines of points, then I built a list with everything I own on Army Builder... and apparently I can field about 2800 points worth. Crazy!
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If anyone is going to be at Plainville tomorrow night, I wouldn't mind kind of a learning game of fantasy with my Skaven, if someone doesn't mind teaching a bit since it will be my first game.
I'd prefer a low-ish point total, just so it doesn't get too confusing.
Either that or I'll just spy on people's games and see what I can pick up.
-Steve
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So, I know that I had some minor discussions about this the other evening, but I thought I'd ask here just to make sure.
I'm thinking about making my groups of clanrats / stormvermin as follows:
30 clanrats with hand weapon / shield (6 models, 5 ranks) full command
30 clanrats with hand weapon / shield (6 models, 5 ranks) full command
40 clanrats with spears / shield (8 models, 5 ranks) full command
36 stormvermin with halberd / shield (6 models, 6 ranks) full command
Are these good setups as far as models / ranks go? I was contemplating using the 40 rat group in a 10 model, 4 rank fashion, but I feel like a 5th rank might be more useful.
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as a general rule, narrower is better. the wider your unit is, the more models (from both sides) get to attack and this rarely works out in the favor of the skaven. i'm not a skaven player so i'm not sure but i'd say keep them 5-6 wide. if keithb chimes in on this though, listen to him.
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Your going to quickly learn that clan rats are not fighters. Their job is to stay alive and not break for as long as possible. So give the enemy as few chances to base you as possible, have as many ranks as you can get and don't get into hand to hand until your shooting and magic have crippled them.
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Your going to quickly learn that clan rats are not fighters. Their job is to stay alive and not break for as long as possible. So give the enemy as few chances to base you as possible, have as many ranks as you can get and don't get into hand to hand until your shooting and magic have crippled them.
This.
You can do certain tricks to make your units better in hand to hand, like Doom flayer weapon teams and hidden assassins. But the key to all this is that your magic + shooting, weakens your opponent.
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For the rats then, would it make more sense to go as follows:
30 clanrats with hand weapon / shield (5 models, 6 ranks) full command
30 clanrats with hand weapon / shield (5 models, 6 ranks) full command
40 clanrats with spears / shield (5 models, 8 ranks) full command
Just basically swapping the model and rank numbers, keep them as narrow as allowed, and very long?
And I only have the 40 with spears because that's how they're built, if my opponent doesn't care, could always say they have hand weapon instead I suppose.