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Games Workshop => Warhammer Fantasy => Topic started by: King of the Elves on March 21, 2012, 12:46:43 AM
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Hey chase, just wondering if you know around when the next WHFB tournament would be. I know you have a lot going on with 40K, warmachine, megabattle tournaments but i just thought i would ask. Thanks in advance.
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The second to last weekend in April. Not sure what date that is... It'll be that Sunday I believe... Maybe?
I will be taking care of the April calendar next week. :)
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What kind of format would people want to do. I know we have a group of players who go to the store every Tuesday, but don't do tournaments. What would make you guys show up?
I would love to see our local tournaments get the kind of turn out 40k gets and after the success of the lost legion tournament I see that it is possible. What can we do to get a beter turn out?
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How about WHFB 500pt teams? :)
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I would like to see an event that would limit the size of Unit blocks. Limit blocks to 25-30, which would eliminate the HEY look at my 100 Great Swords with Killing Blow?!!!! EGads! I think if you can make units smaller and have more of them you might be able to have more dense terrain on the tables. just my thoughts...
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I don't like that idea because it only hurts weaker armies. My daemons kick ass in units of 25-30, while my beastmen are completely useless.
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Yeah, are there any prefered tourny rules? Like limiting blocks or magic, or anything special like that?
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What kind of format would people want to do. I know we have a group of players who go to the store every Tuesday, but don't do tournaments. What would make you guys show up?
I would love to see our local tournaments get the kind of turn out 40k gets and after the success of the lost legion tournament I see that it is possible. What can we do to get a beter turn out?
YES! This!
What is going to get our Tuesday night crowd to play in a tournament?
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I liked the Lost Legion's tournament format: very few army restrictions, not many changes to the core rules, pizza lunch included in entry fee! I think 2hr 15 min was a little short for 2500 point games. Maybe smaller points value to encourage fully painted armies? Either way if BG hosts something on the 21st or 22nd I should be there.
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one think i think would be cool is if 2 people matched together are playing the same army, you use the new civil war rules from this month and last month's white dwarf. I (personaly) like to play 5 or 6 1,500 point games than only 3 or 4 2,500 point games, but that's just me.
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My only hold back from doing a tournament for fantasy really is not knowing all the rules so much that playing in a tournament feels wrong to me since I don't know all the rules and strategies etc... Plus if folks are REALLY competitive and will nickel and dime of a millimeter then leave me out for now.
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will nickel and dime of a millimeter then leave me out for now.
that's 40k tournaments you're thinking of ;D
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will nickel and dime of a millimeter then leave me out for now.
that's 40k tournaments you're thinking of ;D
Lol
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Its been my experience that its all tournaments that have an entry fee and prizes... :) but I am getting better and with help from all you more experienced players I will learn everything I need to know...I just need to play a game with you guys.
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For me, working weekends its nigh impossible to find the time off unless i use a vacation or a personal day. I am throwing a wild idea out there, but is it possible to have a tournament strung out over a couple week nights? like a tue/ wed or the same week night in multiple or two weeks? does that make any sense? i know its unconventional, but just a thought. I know the problem that may occur is that people show up the first day and then not on others, but then they would simply forfeit there entrance fee. . .. . . . . .. . .I am gonna try and commit to an even soon, if brother maynard picks me up and drops me off . . :p
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speaking for someone who lives in weymouth and can't legally drive for another year, it's a lot easier to have it be a 1 day thing on the weekend. But thats my opinion.
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we all know that, but the reason i say such a thing is that some people do drive and work weekends... hence the unusual idea
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. .I am gonna try and commit to an even soon, if brother maynard picks me up and drops me off . . :p
fine, but we're stopping at the pub on the way back
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My only hold back from doing a tournament for fantasy really is not knowing all the rules so much that playing in a tournament feels wrong to me since I don't know all the rules and strategies etc... Plus if folks are REALLY competitive and will nickel and dime of a millimeter then leave me out for now.
Not to be too harsh about this, but if your unit is >11 inches away from me, and you move 5, and roll a 6 for your charge, you don't make it. I don't think that is bad play or cheesy or wrong in any way. Generally, if things are really close, a 4+ roll on a d6 is better to settle it anyways.
If you don't feel ready, then maybe just drop by during the next one and check it out, I think the fantasy events have a different feel than the 40k ones do.
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If it makes you feel better mike, I will hold your hand the first time. . . .
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I think the fantasy events have a different feel than the 40k ones do.
That's a fact. The WHFB events are a lot more chill.
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I think the fantasy events have a different feel than the 40k ones do.
That's a fact. The WHFB events are a lot more chill.
yay! +1 to WHFB!
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I liked the Lost Legion's tournament format: very few army restrictions, not many changes to the core rules, pizza lunch included in entry fee! I think 2hr 15 min was a little short for 2500 point games. Maybe smaller points value to encourage fully painted armies? Either way if BG hosts something on the 21st or 22nd I should be there.
Yeah, that was my only concern with the LL tournament was with time vs points. So, something a little bit smaller, point wise, wouldn't be bad.
Pizza sounds good too ;D
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Pizza sounds good too ;D
Pizza ALWAYS sounds good ;D
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I wouldn't count on us providing lunch. ;)
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I wouldn't count on us providing lunch. ;)
Lol. O well, it was at lease worth a shot :P
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I think the reason a lot of us play in tournaments is because we cant commit to coming down to the store often. For me the idea of spreading it out over multiple days or weeks just doesn't work.
Buy your own pizza. It keeps the ticket price down :P
ETC restrictions are the most common. They do limit the size of units, but they make sure to limit the elite infantry more. I think that ETC is a good guide for making tournaments a little more balanced.
Game size is usually best around 2250 - 2500 for a reason, when the game gets smaller then that you tend to have a lot more stupid situations where one die roll or IF spell can just end the game. It makes cheese things more potent. I would love to play 2999, but I know that would just lower the turn out. I think we should shoot for 2250 if people want smaller games.
As for the competitive aspect. If you came to one of the BG tournaments you would see that its very laid back.
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My 2 cents:
Multi day would be a very small crowd, as jake said if I can scrounge up 1 day to play every 2 weeks it is fairly lucky.
Depending on the crowd you want to attract, the size and format are important. For the local GT players and other fairly competative groups, the 2250-2500 range is good. Also using ETC restrictions is a great way to get more people as many players love to "practice" that format. Also it tones down the crazy stuff and buffs the weaker armies.
On the flip side, if you wanted to make it more assessible to newer players, teams are always fun. Like 1250 a team would make for decent games. Teams tend to naturally cause the games to be wacky which limits needed restrictions.
One thing I have thought of : what would people think of a Warhammer mixer of sorts?
This is what I mean. Every shows up with 2 1250 lists. Teams are randomly matched and between the team, they pick what lists to use for the whole event.
The 2 lists are to help the issue of "we both brough lvl 4's". Which screws folks at that point level.
I think this might help newer players feel more comfortable with a teammate, and get the community to meet each other.
There are some gaming groups in the area that might be interested in coming by for the tourney (from CT, Cape, etc).
Happy to spread the word when we know the format.
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I am a firm advocate for etc rules, the only grievance i have is the 40 model cap /450pt per unit. I think its a bit frustrating for some core choices( the 40 model cap) and the 450pts cap would be better served at 500pts so u can atleast take a 40 block of special units ie. black orcs/gravegaurd/bestigor/ and the lot. . . .which wouldnt be over powering, but more convienant that having to take 34-37 just to fit it in with full commands... .kinda pisses me off to be honest. Other than that I think the rules are mint. . . just my 2 cents on the etc format
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i like the idea of 1250 lists and everyone then gets a random partner but to make it more fair, we could have every "pro" player be paired with a newish player so you don't have a team of 2 newish players getting crushed and a pro team just killing everyone. That's just my 2 cents.
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One thing I have thought of : what would people think of a Warhammer mixer of sorts?
This is what I mean. Every shows up with 2 1250 lists. Teams are randomly matched and between the team, they pick what lists to use for the whole event.
The 2 lists are to help the issue of "we both brough lvl 4's". Which screws folks at that point level.
I think this might help newer players feel more comfortable with a teammate, and get the community to meet each other.
I think that would be a very fun way to play a one day event.
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That's a good idea king. When people sign in just designate veteran or rookie. Pairings start with all the rookies getting paired with a pro and any left over people just paired randomly.
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i myself prefer the more competitive format of 2400-2500 pt singles, but i think josh's mixer idea will be better for the community in the long run so i will support that idea. perhaps when players register, they get divided into 2 groups based on experience level. on the day of, everyone draws their partner from the other group. this will obviously take a bit of judgment from the TO to stop keith from trying to get into the inexperienced group ( ;D) but i think pairing new players with more experienced ones is a great idea.
however, team games do take longer than singles. you can easily do 2500 pt games in 2:30 rounds with singles but not a team game. i think we'll have to start significantly earlier than the usual 11-noon timeframe.
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as per mr. maynards previous retorts, def. a noob right here. . i would take the day off for such a gathering
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I really like the idea so a Pro-Am 1250 tourny. Very unique and interesting idea. Plus it it solves the odd number problem as you can have a swing player either play two 1250 or get matched up with another player. Apr 22nd is no go for me but if it's another day I would come.
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Lets be honest Kieth should be in the amateur group if he brings any army other then his 'I win rocket' skaven
And if I don't have my easy mode Ogres them I'm a total noob...
Seriously, it could be fun. I would be willing to do something like this.
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I totally think it could be awesome.
I will totally bring High Elves (I tend to think Skaven can be really insane at lower points)
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so here's some ideas on rules to make things a little easier/mitigate some of the craziness, what do you guys think?
teams use the trusted allies rules
no bsb's
one player's general gets the inspiring presence rule (general's LD bubble)
the other player's general gets the hold your ground rule (bsb re-roll)
maybe drop the hierophant crumble rule for TK as it could really screw them at this point level? possibly vamps as well?
these are mostly to just encourage integration between teams to prevent the "we're playing two separate games of warhammer on this table." thoughts?
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what does 2,3,and 4 mean/ do?
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so here's some ideas on rules to make things a little easier/mitigate some of the craziness, what do you guys think?
teams use the trusted allies rules
no bsb's
one player's general gets the inspiring presence rule (general's LD bubble)
the other player's general gets the hold your ground rule (bsb re-roll)
maybe drop the hierophant crumble rule for TK as it could really screw them at this point level? possibly vamps as well?
these are mostly to just encourage integration between teams to prevent the "we're playing two separate games of warhammer on this table." thoughts?
love it
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I think it will help army composition aswell because the lower ld armies will not be trying to cram in a bsb and a lord level charater to get the ld9 and re roll some armies have to have to survive.
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I totally agree Rhys. Those changes would be awesome and keep the lists fun. Crumble might still be needed as it those armies version of panicing off the table...
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maybe just have the tomb kings contol change over to another caster with the lore of nehek just like the vamps and lore of vampires. . . or change contol to a prince / king since they dont normally have magic available to them
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I don't think tomb kings or vampire counts need any extra rules. Keeping your hyrophant alive is part of the challenge of the army. Like anamosity for orcs, movment for dwarfs, ect.
I like the idea of general and BSB. I think we should make this happen.
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yeah, It is glaring that after the new VC book came out and they addressed the problem that the tomb kings got the proverbial SHAFT in that particular front
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Someone remind me to read this all again after tomorrow.
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chase read this again
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So the fact that I don't know a damn thing about WHFB has made this thread sort of difficult to read through.
Here's what I've taken from it and some opinions / comments I have:
It seems like people want us to run a team tournament.
It seems like "ETC" style Singles events have been really popular in the region lately.
I am primarily concerned with running a tournament that will get the largest number of players to come out. I would love it if we were able to design an event that would get the Tuesday night guys to play and also appeals to newer players.
The Pro-Am idea, while great in concept, may fail in practice. I'm not sure how I feel about it. We are likely to see maybe 3-4 people that are actually "new" or "less experienced." Having a guy like Keith register with High Elves as an amateur makes little sense. I think it's super likely that the teams with the actual new players get rolled and the team with the more experienced players crush. What's the solution for 16 people registering and 10+ being FAR from "new or inexperienced"?
If there were a way to make this Pro-Am thing work, while still attracting a lot of players, I would do it. In fact.... I may do it anyway.
I am really intimidated by writing rules for something like this. I don't understand very much about the game, restrictions, what people have suggested in this thread, what the abbreviations mean, and all that. I'll do what I can a little later, but I'll need a LOT of help.
Jeez... It could be great or it could be a giant failure. Do we stick with what will definitely work out, or do we "risk it" and give the calendar spot to something that may or may not work?
I sort of want to try it...
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I agree on the pro- am idea, if 15 people show up and only 5 people are new, it may be a giant fail. But whatever, i just want to play!
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I wasn't seriously suggesting being an 'amateur'. Just that I want to bring high elves.
I would like to do a doubles at some point, but it doesn't have to be the next event.
The ETC rules are easy, online, and just requires a little more homework for list checking.
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o another idea, we could do teams but have them be random. So you don't know who your going to be paired with. It could fail haveing a 2 man noob team or a 2 man pro team, just a thought.
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The ETC rules are easy, online, and just requires a little more homework for list checking.
should do a fair bit to attract outside attention too since basically the entirety of Team America is fairly close lol. i used to hate ETC rules but they've definitely grown on me, really change the dynamic of lists and all that. maybe we should just run an ETC singles in april and save the pro-am idea for a more social/ less competitive event. $10 buy-in to cover pizzas and just play team games all day or whatever. the whole point of it was to get the community together after all.
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You don't really need to worry about people "pretending" to be amateurs. We know who all the REALLY good players are. Overall you wont get people who try to abuse the system in Fantasy. If they do then they probably aren't as good as they think and they are and wont impact the event that much anyway. I think it should be broken into three categories. Experienced, intermediate, and beginner. With a short description of each to help people place themselves.
I would like to do a team event like this. I think its a fun idea, i don't think it will bring in a large number of competitive players, but it might attract more new players and people who don't generally do tournaments.
For April, if your looking for maximum turn out I would say do a 2500 point ETC style tournament and make a post on all the web sites of all the GT gaming clubs.
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whatever you decide apon chase .. make it a saturday to make it feasable.. .sunday is still time and a half in massachessets. . . . :)
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I like the sounds of all these ideas... and the whole Pro-Am thing seems nice since not only will we be playing in a tournament but also learning and getting tips throughout the day!
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whatever you decide apon chase .. make it a saturday to make it feasable.. .sunday is still time and a half in massachessets. . . . :)
For better or worse, I've already locked it it for Sunday.
Now to find these ETC rules...
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should do a fair bit to attract outside attention too since basically the entirety of Team America is fairly close lol. i used to hate ETC rules but they've definitely grown on me, really change the dynamic of lists and all that. maybe we should just run an ETC singles in april and save the pro-am idea for a more social/ less competitive event. $10 buy-in to cover pizzas and just play team games all day or whatever. the whole point of it was to get the community together after all.
This is along the lines of what I'm going to do.
I'm SOOO busy right now with convention stuff that I don't really have time to put together a rule set I'm happy with (even with Jake's help) in time.
ETC Singles it is for April.
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ETC Rules... There seems to be roughly a billion versions. Does it matter which we use?
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yeah, we should use the most up-to-date version (currently draft #2) which is stickied here (http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=99850). i think we should stick to the army comp and magic limitation rules but ditch the line of sight rules. they're a bit tough to learn on the fly, best not to bother with them imo.
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so wait... is it on a saturday or sunday, and is it in april or may??
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chase said in the other thread that its gonna be 4/22
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chase said in the other thread that its gonna be 4/22
Damn, can't make it, o well better luck next time :D
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Do most tournaments follow ETC style rules around here? Draft 2 has a lot of core mechanics changes, but I understand it's a system designed for a special type of team based play.
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ETC is great for keeping the game in check (the silly 8th ed stuff) but a few things:
1) checking lists is a must.
2) every player should know the game play changes including the etc specific FAQ. It does change some mechanics. It is for ease of use stuff mostly, but still changes in the rules.
If we can do the above, then it should work, it can be a bit tricky for a newer player and hopefully folks can keep the rules straight.
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Hey Chase, for the next WHFB tourny can we mabey do a doubles sort of deal like the 40K ones? Just throwing some ideas out there.
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The next WHFB event will be doubles. I'm not sure when it will be though.
Lots going on this summer...
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hey guys, dont know if many of you remember me but the name is Garrett and i just recently started playing fantasy (building up a bretonnian army but have been out of state since college ended). Me any my next door nieghboor are learning the rules and doing games to get practice in, but would love to get in on this doulbes tournament. Both of us are fairly new (weve played a total of like 5 games so far) and I would like to come up and play in this torunament when it does happen. I will be coming no matter what, but my nieghboor wanted to know if he could be on my team (we live in NY and its about a 3 hour ride, so he's not sure if he wants to tag along)
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Hey all,
As a heads up Gamenight.net will be hosting a tournament on June 30th. It will be 3 rounds, run etc style lists, and be very similiar to the last one we held. If you plan on attending, please post in the other thread that I have made on here.
Josh