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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: Chase on June 20, 2012, 03:44:15 AM
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Looking pretttty good!
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wow fuck i really want that tape
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I've already got you down for a tape. I seriously hope I'm not going to be limited on any of this stuff.
Get your preorders in NOW folks.
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ok sweet i all so will be angry it there is a limit.
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How much is the rule book going to run?
Will it be cheaper to buy an Ipad and pirate?
How much for a kit wit the small *actually USEFUL* rule book?
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Answered one of my own questions... I should learn to read.
$75 fuck.
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Yeah, Orks get screwed with the new Psyic Powers that GW was hyping like heck.
I wonder if there is a rule in 6th when 25% of the Orks just die every turn too.
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That and apparently there is assault before shooting, what about assault weapons!?!
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The dice are... strange? I might like 'em more in real life... what are the little servo skull markers? They are kinda neat! Do they come with the objective dice set? I might get one of those.
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Will it be cheaper to buy an Ipad and pirate?
poor form to talk about pirating on forums for a small business that survives by selling these books my friend
How much for a kit wit the small *actually USEFUL* rule book?
Probably at least a month or two after launch, once it's out i'm sure the 6th edition hardcover book will make just as good of a paperweight as the 5th edition hardcover book did. I also found this little snippet online, seems instead of 2 armies Black Reach style there are going to be 2 seperate starter box sets... interesting
two starter sets, each with rules, dices, movement markers, mission booklet, one with Dark Angels and fitting scenery, the other with Black Legion and Chaos scenery. You can combine both to play the campaign or use one set alone to play a selection of dumbed down scenarios against every other force, first starter set that comes with a model for a well established special character
That and apparently there is assault before shooting, what about assault weapons!?!
Exactly
The dice are... strange? I might like 'em more in real life... what are the little servo skull markers? They are kinda neat! Do they come with the objective dice set? I might get one of those.
if you look close the objective markers have little shelves or something, do you put the dice on them?
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Argh, I am having such an internal debate over whether to buy the collector's edition or not. Want.... bad. I think I'm either gonna do that or just wait till the mini rulebook is out. The path of virtue or the path of excess? Sigh...
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Yea I really want the gamers/ collectors edition but way too much money to be spend on a book that I'm going to have to replace in like 3 years. I really like the tape mesure, might end up getting that. Don't really know if I want the cards, I have never played a physer (I know i spelled that wrong) before so I will have to wait and see. Chase if you find out that the tape mesure or anything like that are in short supply, please let us know!
Will it be cheaper to buy an Ipad and pirate?
Not cool dude.
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Why not, any time a company blately rips you off, why not just take it for free?
Consider the music industry in the late 90s or the movie rental industry. Both of them had to chance because people got sick of them basically ripping them off on EVERY purchase. Netflix does fine, redbox does fine, Blockbuster with 2$ a day late fees? No, 26$ for a CD with 9 songs? No thanks.
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Why not, any time a company blately rips you off, why not just take it for free?
Consider the music industry in the late 90s or the movie rental industry. Both of them had to chance because people got sick of them basically ripping them off on EVERY purchase. Netflix does fine, redbox does fine, Blockbuster with 2$ a day late fees? No, 26$ for a CD with 9 songs? No thanks.
Look at it like this, your on a local stores forum that they pay for, where you also play 40K on thier tables, free of charge and your talking about how it is "right" to pirate a rulebook (that is illegal in the first place) and that store also sells the rulebook and makes prifit from it. So if you pirate the rulebook you are not only stealing from GW but stealing from Battlegrounds. I'm a 15 year old kid with a crappy job that pays $20 a week, while still saving for a car and college. So if I have to not buy models for a couple weeks or not go out with friends this weekend to save money for this rulebook, just so I can buy it from battlegrounds and not pirate it, then so be it. Pay where you play, thats my motto.
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I just think that if you pirate the rulebook, that's 75 bucks you HAVE to spend on models at Battlegrounds! :D Actually, lets make it a hundred, just to be fair!
I also think that if people are waiting for the starter set and mini-rulebook, but want to read the rules, checking out a pdf online in the mean time isn't that bad or morally wrong, like borrowing it from a friend... who lives in Sweden...
Speaking of, are the rumors of two starter sets (DA and chaos) true? If it's one set of models and still over 100 bucks, I am going to be a bit disappointed!
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Why not, any time a company blately rips you off, why not just take it for free?
Consider the music industry in the late 90s or the movie rental industry. Both of them had to chance because people got sick of them basically ripping them off on EVERY purchase. Netflix does fine, redbox does fine, Blockbuster with 2$ a day late fees? No, 26$ for a CD with 9 songs? No thanks.
Look at it like this, your on a local stores forum that they pay for, where you also play 40K on thier tables, free of charge and your talking about how it is "right" to pirate a rulebook (that is illegal in the first place) and that store also sells the rulebook and makes prifit from it. So if you pirate the rulebook you are not only stealing from GW but stealing from Battlegrounds. I'm a 15 year old kid with a crappy job that pays $20 a week, while still saving for a car and college. So if I have to not buy models for a couple weeks or not go out with friends this weekend to save money for this rulebook, just so I can buy it from battlegrounds and not pirate it, then so be it. Pay where you play, thats my motto.
I don't think my support of the store is in question, I buy plenty of stuff from Battleground games. What I take exception to is GW's price levels which have nothing to do with the store. Just because I want Battleground to succeed and like Chase/Derek et. al. Doesn't mean I will allow myself to be constantly ripped off. I can still buy Warmachine and Magic cards at the store if I want. GW will continue to raise prices as long as people keep buying it. When they stop, they will lower them again.
If Chase/Derek had a problem with my post, they could let me know, either posting or pm or email or phone.
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I'm with Keith. I support a couple of stores in the area, and spend an approximate amount at each one on a monthly basis. Its not a question of whether or not I'll shop at those locations, its a question of how big of a cut of my money GW is getting. Since 40k and Fantasy are no longer the only two games I play, and with prices bordering on the absurd, their share is getting smaller and smaller. I think I've spent $37 on GW this year. Conversely I've pumped hundreds into Warmachine, Infinity and other smaller games since I feel there's greater value there.
What I'd love to know is GW's long-term financial plan. I'd like to know how they plan on getting new players once the current market is exhausted (see: death, real life expenses taking over, new interests, etc). 6th edition looks command over $100 in start-up costs before models are even factored in ($75 rulebook, $13 Psychic Power Cards, $30+ codex). After than you'll need like 1500-2000pts of stuff. I suppose the starter box alleviates some of this if you're interested in one of the armies in the box (or if you know you can sell off components you don't require).
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It's more of a... social norm. I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.
So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.
We get it, you are annoyed at GW. Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.
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It's more of a... social norm. I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.
So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.
We get it, you are annoyed at GW. Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.
Please GW does not pay attention to its gaming community, it never has, and it seems like it never will. There is nothing "classless" about having this discussion anywhere, least of all here. I will continue to buy my gaming things at Battlegrounds, be they models, books, paints, glue, whatever. As I said before, I've always been respectful of Derek/Chase's wishes in regards to this forum, and if they have an issue, they will let me know. Feel free to discuss this with me/us if you want, but don't deputize yourself and tell me what I can/can't do on someone else's forum.
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It's more of a... social norm. I know this is a game store AND gamers tend to not care for such things but please, think of the search engines going through these posts.
So do it for google and yahoo parsing out words to search so people don't get in trouble / you don't fuel people's apathy for supporting a game store.
We get it, you are annoyed at GW. Then don't buy that product but for Christ's sake, have some class about it.
Please GW does not pay attention to its gaming community, it never has, and it seems like it never will. There is nothing "classless" about having this discussion anywhere, least of all here. I will continue to buy my gaming things at Battlegrounds, be they models, books, paints, glue, whatever. As I said before, I've always been respectful of Derek/Chase's wishes in regards to this forum, and if they have an issue, they will let me know. Feel free to discuss this with me/us if you want, but don't deputize yourself and tell me what I can/can't do on someone else's forum.
So you can tell me what I can do but I can't tell you what to do.
Looks like you counter deputized me.
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Didn't seem to work ::)
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Didn't seem to work ::)
u mad bro?
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Let's try to stay on topic.
Which is being excited about a new ruleset. :)
If it matters Keith has already preordered the book and cards.
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Let's try to stay on topic.
Which is being excited about a new ruleset. :)
touche
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Let's try to stay on topic.
Which is being excited about a new ruleset. :)
If it matters Keith has already preordered the book and cards.
No but you asking us to stay on topic does. ;)
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But Chase, I was excited about having a high-minded discussion about the merits of Capitalism!
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But Chase, I was excited about having a high-minded discussion about the merits of Capitalism!
I have zero problem with a discussion like this taking place in a different thread. I'd actually be interested in reading a high-minded discussion on the topic.
;)
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You start one, and I'll pretend like I know what I'm talking about:)
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Hobbies are somewhat frivolous expenses if you got the money and you want to spend it, do so. I agree though GW has a strong enough following of people who dont care about the price (within reason) and just continue to shop that a few people pirating etc wont make a dent enough for them to notice.
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More early leaks from white dwarf
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/06/sneak-peak-on-6th-edition-rules-from.html#more
We have some early information on rules and 6th edition in general taken out of the latest White Dwarf. This is a sneak peak into some of the stuff that everyone will start seeing tomorrow and over the next few days.
Some reports are conflicting on some of the details that we have heard throughout the internet, however these are collected directly out of the White Dwarf, from different articles, battle reports, army presentation, and an introductory article regarding the goals of 6th edition
the rulebook itself
- full of fluff and coverage for things that werent coverec a lot in the past
- the goal is to make the game more "cinematic"
- end of rulebook is an overview of all weapons, powers , hull points, psi powers and more fluff (how to treat laswounds on the battlefield)
general rules
- charge range (going into cc) is 2d6, jumppacks seem to enable you to REROLL it ( or it is a special rule thing, might be BA exclusive)
- wound allocation to the closest miniatures in the unit. no info if wound groups are removed
- i might have misunderstood it but : every model counts as an individual now(like in lord of the rings?) would explain the new wound allocation.
- FOC has been EXPANDED for allies, this would mean that its still foc, not percentages
- vehicle squadrons also improve shooting -> line of sight related
- there will be many rules to bring "movie-like action scenes" to the tabletop
- "defensive fire" and "snap fire" are ENTIRELY DIFFERENT things!
- "defensive fire" "additional shooting phase" for assaulted units at bs 1. NO(!!!) mention of restrictions regarding WHAT WEAPONS can be fired. the usual restrictions should apply regarding flamethrowers (no usage if own model is in line of fire)
- "snap fire" shooting after movement and hitting on a 6, lascannons (and thus all HWs) can do it. land raiders can move 6" and shoot all weapons (1 normal, 1 via machine spirit and 2 snapshots with multi-melta and storm cannon) and a stunned cybot snap fired with a
multi-melta in one of the battle reports
hull points
- cybots have 3 hull points like "battle tanks"
- land raiders, soul grinders, ghost arc have 4
abilities
- rage is renamed to berserk : +2 attacks in melee
- smash for jumpers --> going into cc directly
- monstrous creatures can halve their attacks but double the strength
- flying monstrous creatures get their ability too, flying 24", ignoring all weapons but anti-air ones and hit enemies they flew over with (str + w3 + 1)
- "GRENADE!" the unit mentioned is a sargeant throwing a grenade and destroying the enemy unit - no further info.
- "evasive manouvers" for landspeeders : +5 cover save normal +4 when boosting and at max. velocity
- forebarence : eldar runeprophets have it - usual bf for defensive fire
- grey knights scriptors can get mastery grade 3
- warlord traits can be passed to psykers (might be only related to GKs)
- sharpshooters can choose what target they hit on a 6 (necron eliminators)
- rapid fire weapons still shoot max distance after moving (possibly even the full amount of shots!)
- tesla weapons get an additional hit when throwing a 6 on the to-hit throws
- gauss weapons remove 1 hull point on a 6 at pen throws
- tau battle suits can fall back 2d6 in the melee phase
- apparently you can bodyguard all special characters (non independent ones on a +4)
equipment
- psi matrix +4 save for psi resistance on 6"
- power axe or powerfist needed to deny 2+ armor throws so they're either ap 1 or ap 2 or both ap 1 or ap 2
independent characters
- character models can - under certain circumstances - pick their target individually
- duelling like in warhammer
- "there are many possibilities for unknown heroes to gain fame and honor" possible hints to even more things to make the game more "cinematic" ?
- Warlords roll on a trait table (leadership, combat, tactics)
flyers :
- always come in as reserves
- some weapons have the "anti air" special rule
- hard to hit when flying at max distance
- fly on 2 "levels" far above ground (cant let passengers exit, but is only hittable by anti-air weaponry) and closer to the ground (easier to hit but can load out passengers)
- destroying a flyer results in debris hitting the battlefield, damaging units
terrain and battlefield itself
- mysterious forest like in warhammer - random properties when entering
- ruins are difficult terrain, +4 cover save
- thick bushes +5 cover save and difficult terrain
- imperial statue provide fearless to imperial armies in 2" (sob, sm and ig)
- fuel barrels etc +5 cover save, if it passes d6 --> 1 barrel explodes and does s3 to surrounding units
- fortress of redemption --> 220 pts
- craters +5 cover save
- modifiers for the whole battlefield like : higher or lower gravity, poisonous atmospheres
- usable ruins, artifacts that can turn the tide of battle
buildings :
- go into the deployment zone
- skyshield landing platform : arrival of reserves can be controlled
- buildings can be upgraded - communications relais and anti-air weaponry
- bastions have av 14
- tank blockers are impassable for vehicles, dangerous terrain for bikes. provide +4 cover save
- aegis defence lines provide a +4 cover save and +1 when going to ground
missions :
- six "bloody encounters" with different goals and/or objectives : "explore and hold"
-some objectives have special abilites (aiming systems, gravity wave generator) or are, for example mined (random properties?),
- some missions make certain units scoring , fast attack units or even vehicles ("big guns never rest") but turn them into 1 "win-point" when killed/destroyed
- three secondary objectives : kill the warlord , first blood, breakthrough (invading the enemies deployment zone), each is worth 1 "win-point"
- rulebook section with scenarios to inspire the players to develop their own campains and missions
allies :
- appearantly needed is 1 hq + 1 stan.
Psi :
- the chart tells us if you can take the rulebooks psi-abilities or only the ones from your codex
Extra Info:
paultwilsons post about the abhuman is absolutely right. its part of the "armies in 6th edition" presentation. right next to it is chris peachs imperial army where he used imperial pistoliers parts etc from warhammer to create a pretty cool imperial guard army! look forward to those ones! feathers and old-school helmets!
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I cant wait to play this. I so want the limited ed book now that ive seen it.
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I do some some concerns about this edition.
Everything that I have seen is a huge buff to shooting armies (overwatch, nerf to cover, models removed from closest to farthest, etc) and a big nerf to assault armies (random charge). Also it looks like the Spess Marines/Imperials are getting all the love (the most amount of new psychic powers, close combat weapons having an AP value, cheap terrain with guns that have the interceptor and skyfire rules etc).
It is hard to say anything about the new rules without ALL the new rules, but as an Ork player I am very very concerned.
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If charge distance is 2d6", that averages a longer charge range than the 6", and sometimes gives you the chance to randomly charge someone from way outside normal charge. I'm not so sure that overall it hurts more than it helps.
Also, something good for Orks: This "you can fire your weapons at BS1 in response to a charge" is better for Orks than for anyone else. THey are only BS2 as it is. Imagine trying to charge a unit of 15 lootas. If they roll a "3" you're going to get hit with 8 or 9 strength 7 shots on the way in. Now imagine trying to charge a unit of Burna Boyz (shudder).
I'm kinda concerned about the new psychic powers because it will probably make psykers and psychic defense more important. And in my 4 armies I have nary a psyker between them. But without knowing the whole rules it's not worth worrying about yet.
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If charge distance is 2d6", that averages a longer charge range than the 6", and sometimes gives you the chance to randomly charge someone from way outside normal charge. I'm not so sure that overall it hurts more than it helps.
Also, something good for Orks: This "you can fire your weapons at BS1 in response to a charge" is better for Orks than for anyone else. THey are only BS2 as it is. Imagine trying to charge a unit of 15 lootas. If they roll a "3" you're going to get hit with 8 or 9 strength 7 shots on the way in. Now imagine trying to charge a unit of Burna Boyz (shudder).
I'm kinda concerned about the new psychic powers because it will probably make psykers and psychic defense more important. And in my 4 armies I have nary a psyker between them. But without knowing the whole rules it's not worth worrying about yet.
Statistically the number you should see most is 7 on 2d6, but being 4 inches away and rolling a 3 is still going to suck. If ally this randomness is all that great, why don't they stick a random range on Spess Marine/Tau/IG guns? If I have to guess on can I make a charge, why not have the shooty guys have to take a chance on shooting?
I don't think the defensive fire is really going to help Orks all that much. The game right now for Orks isn't sit back and shoot, but maybe that is going to change. As for the Burna Boyz, I heard somewhere that template weapons will not be able to defensive fire. Which I hope to God is true since Boyz can no longer take Burnas in a mob, but Spess Marines can.
I am with you on Psykers. Being a race without one (WeirdBoyz do not count, espeically since we didn't get any of the new nifty powers) that could really suck.
Truthfully, one of the things that worries me most is sniper fire. Hey, I can target all your PK nobz (of Big Mek with KFF) and completely destroy the effectiveness of your army. And of course it is another rule that Orks cannot use.
I am still waiting to hear any rule that really benefits the Assault based Xenos crowd. Everything that I am hearing is great for shooty people and Marines. I guess they could FAQ the Ork codex and cut the point value of everything in half, but given what I have seen out of GW, I am sure that they will double the values instead. It is almost like GW wants me to go to that other game and play with the shiny Trolls.
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Man, that is some Marine hate there... The current iteration of Space Marines is hardly overpowered, right? I don't think that the new one will be either. The Space Marines are a love of GWs because they are awesome looking and a true GW creation. They bring people into the game.
I certainly understand/share your anxiety about the Orks, though...
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psychic disciplines in the core rulebook are similar to the lores of magic in the core for fantasy, there a listing of powers common to multiple armies, an eldar farseeer looking deep into the skin of the warp, a imperial guard sanction psyker playing the emperors tarot, and a space wolf rune priest casting his runes into a bowl made of a massive wolf skull are all useing the divination discipline. But many if not most armies are going to have there own powers in there individual codexes. Orks have never taped into the warp or used the same powers as everyone else, well its totally possible in there errata for 6e Orks may be given temporary access to pyromancy and biomancy once there 6e book is out they will likely have access to only there own very Orkey Powers.
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Man, that is some Marine hate there... The current iteration of Space Marines is hardly overpowered, right? I don't think that the new one will be either. The Space Marines are a love of GWs because they are awesome looking and a true GW creation. They bring people into the game.
I certainly understand/share your anxiety about the Orks, though...
It is really not Marine hate, mostly anxiety as everything that I have heard helps many other armies and really hurts my preferred army. I have enough problems with AV14 and running through dead mans land before the survivors can try and kill everyone through assault.
I know the complete rules have not come out yet, but just fear having my army tabled by turn 2 every game. Besides, Matt Ward absolutely hate the Orks so I am expecting the worst.
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psychic disciplines in the core rulebook are similar to the lores of magic in the core for fantasy, there a listing of powers common to multiple armies, an eldar farseeer looking deep into the skin of the warp, a imperial guard sanction psyker playing the emperors tarot, and a space wolf rune priest casting his runes into a bowl made of a massive wolf skull are all useing the divination discipline. But many if not most armies are going to have there own powers in there individual codexes. Orks have never taped into the warp or used the same powers as everyone else, well its totally possible in there errata for 6e Orks may be given temporary access to pyromancy and biomancy once there 6e book is out they will likely have access to only there own very Orkey Powers.
I know Orks do not use the Warp the same way (woohoo weirdboyz), but with all the talk of the new physic phase being like the magic phase from WHFB (which I know nothing about) and Orks being left out of it....makes me worry about the viability of da Boyz. And having to wait 2-3 years for a new codex to just to play the Orks doesn't sound like alot of fun.
But hopefully 6th doesn't completely kill my army.
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But hopefully 6th doesn't completely kill my army.
You have Dakkajets, you'll be fine. :)
New editions usually mean Space Marines love. Think of it like a new codex, because really the core Marines aren't going to change all that much.
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I think were forgetting the important part here: You don't need vehicles to win ;D
Besides, on the topic of what armies saw favor in the new edition, its really just a wash. The recent codices with the highest potential have been close combat favored (DE, GK), and now they have a balancing factor.
Its horrible when shooty armies have to aim at things sometimes, how these magical 5th ed bullets manage to always hit the douche with the bolter when I aimed at the meltagun is beyond me ???
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I will reserve judgement until after I've read the new book. For now though, things do seem intriguing. I'm especially interested in seeing how Snipers will perform in the next edition. Personally, I've always felt them impractical/underpowered simply by comparison to their usual counterparts (ie: Scouts vs Tactical Marines, Rangers vs Dire Avengers).
Next week can't come soon enough!
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The bottom line in my opinion is 40k is not and never will be a balanced game. Just play whatever you want and make it work. I personally am very happy with most of what I am hearing except for a few items (like fortifications) that will like only be used in friendly games anyway. Orks and very powerful now and that does not seem to be changing and my daemons seem to be getting bonkers so consider me a very happy customer.....based on rumors of course.
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Flying monstrous creatures can zoom 24" and do a "vector attack" like Necron command barges.
That's just cool.
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OK this is such an awesome post
http://11thcompany.blogspot.com/2012/06/learning-to-accept-allies-stages-of.html
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Now that we have a new edition coming out, that means there could be new codieces in the works. So what I'm really wondering is who we can send suggestions to. #1 for me is to revert back to the previous rough riders instead of keeping the ones we have now. I miss the option to have them armed with a variety of weapons... lasguns, laspistols, flamers, grenade launchers, shotguns.. all with a CCW and not a mandatory waste of space one shot blunder explody stick!
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Flying monstrous creatures can zoom 24" and do a "vector attack" like Necron command barges.
Behold the wing-ed douche in its natural habitat.
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After flipping through the new White Dwarf, it really looks like GW wants to make sure assaults are no longer in the game. 2d6 charge, no +1 to attack if multiassualt, overwatch. I think I may be proxying my choppa boyz as shoota boyz (I am not painting that many boyz over again).
Evade on the Dakkajet looks really really interesting. If they have something like that for ground troops...well that will be good for da boyz.
I may have to get me some more lootas. Snap shot with them will be awesome.
Not so sure if it is going to be worth it to run Nobz anymore...but that may force me to buy a third DakkaJet.
Allies are going force me to buy some new models. Not sure if Tau, or if I get to use my Cypher Mini with some CSM or Traitor Guard...or Maybe some Eldar so I can get in on the magic love. Damn you GW....think I finish up with da Boyz and you do something like this.
I plan to bring the boyz out the 30th, but still unsure if I am going to pick up a new rule book right away.
Although the new rules look awesome for the Ravenwing I am building right now. Go Plasma.
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This all screams to me, ork war biker army. Supported with dakkajets, lootas, and kannons. Maybe some stormboyz..... To Army Builder!!!!
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I love the buzz, talks, ideas, and everything else that's going on right now with respect to 40k as a hobby.
It's going to be an awesome summer.
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Great now Bike's won't be just my Hat's thing :'(.
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This all screams to me, ork war biker army. Supported with dakkajets, lootas, and kannons. Maybe some stormboyz..... To Army Builder!!!!
That sounds really interesting......
Hmmmm....Orks with Ravenwing Allies.....
I actually like that.
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how will this ally chart thing work? I thought it meant like who you could team up with? You mean to tell me I can take units from other armies if the chart allows?!
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how will this ally chart thing work? I thought it meant like who you could team up with? You mean to tell me I can take units from other armies if the chart allows?!
Basically they are letting you use units from other Codexes as long as it makes sense.
Space Marines can take IG Units.
Chaos Space Marines can take Chaos Daemons.
IG can Take Chaos Space Marines.
Tau won't be able to take Dark Eldar cause they don't get along.
It is very interesting especially Considering IG are going to basically be able to ally with almost anyone.
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Necrons will get to take Blood Angles ;D
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how will this ally chart thing work? I thought it meant like who you could team up with? You mean to tell me I can take units from other armies if the chart allows?!
Basically they are letting you use units from other Codexes as long as it makes sense.
Space Marines can take IG Units.
Chaos Space Marines can take Chaos Daemons.
IG can Take Chaos Space Marines.
Tau won't be able to take Dark Eldar cause they don't get along.
It is very interesting especially Considering IG are going to basically be able to ally with almost anyone.
Will the "burrowed unit" count as its traditional choice? Example I have a guard army and get some Space Marines. Do those marines still count as a troop choice on the org chart?
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I'm sure they will, Steve.
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The current rumors on how it is going to work is....
First you choose your 1 HQ+ 2 Troop
then if you are going to have an ally, you pick 1 HQ+1 Troop from the ally. Then you can take 1 Elite, 1 FA, and/or 1 HS. There is a rumor going around that the ally has to be less than 25% of your point total. It appears that you will not be able to attach an IC from one army to another or use a transport from another army (no Terminators in BWs or Space Marine Chaplains attached with Snikrot).
If this is true, I think IG is going to be the premier ally. Get a cheep HQ, Infantry Squad, then a Squadron of Armour.
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The current rumors on how it is going to work is....
First you choose your 1 HQ+ 2 Troop
then if you are going to have an ally, you pick 1 HQ+1 Troop from the ally. Then you can take 1 Elite, 1 FA, and/or 1 HS. There is a rumor going around that the ally has to be less than 25% of your point total. It appears that you will not be able to attach an IC from one army to another or use a transport from another army (no Terminators in BWs or Space Marine Chaplains attached with Snikrot).
If this is true, I think IG is going to be the premier ally. Get a cheep HQ, Infantry Squad, then a Squadron of Armour.
Ok this clears a lot for me. Thanks for the info.