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Title: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
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Battleground Games & Hobbies - Plainville MA

Format: Singles (1v1) 1850 points per person
Date: January 5th, 2013 a Saturday
Time: Please be here no later than 10:15am. Set up at 10:45. Dice roll no later than 11:00am.
Entrance Fee: FREE

Address:
25 Taunton Street
Plainville MA 02762
508.316.1195

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This event will be capped at 32 players.

For each Singles and Doubles Invitational Qualifier throughout 2012, the winning players for Best General and Player's Choice have receive an invitation (~16 invites). Battleground also wants to award consistency. Invitations have been sent to the highest ranking players according to these standings (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuAzuwQYWKDLdFV0TnB3eE9YTVVyZTFUN3I2MVNWMkE#gid=0), filling out the ranks such that our Top 32 are invited!

RULES FOR WARHAMMER 40K TOURNAMENT

Rule Books:
The Warhammer 40,000 SIXTH Edition Rules will be used.

The following is a list of legal army choices:
Codex: Black Templars
Codex: Blood Angels
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Codex: Grey Knights
Codex: Dark Angels
Codex: Dark Eldar
Codex: Eldar
Codex: Imperial Guard
Codex: Necrons
Codex: Orks
Codex: Space Marines
Codex: Space Wolves
Codex: Tau Empire
Codex: Tyranids
Codex: Sister of Battle (White Dwarf)

MODELS AND POINTS:

1. Each player must bring an army consisting of 1850 points (but no fewer than 1825), in accordance with these rules...

2. All models must follow “What You See Is What You Get” (WYSIWYG). All weapons, war gear, and so forth must be represented on the model.

3. Pictures of conversions or "counts as" models must be emailed to the Tournament Organizer unless they have previously been approved.

4. Warlord Traits - At the start of each game, before deployment, select two tables. Roll a die for each table. Choose ONE of the two results as your Warlord Trait for that game.

5. Psychic Powers - Players will choose and determine their psychic powers at the start of each game, before deployment.

6. Unfortunately, Forge World Imperial Armor units (and army lists) may NOT be used in this event. Forge world models may be used where appropriate, however.

7. We will require that each participant submits an itemized army list to a Battleground Tournament Organizer on or before Friday, 12/28/2012 (roughly a week before the event). An Army Builder .pdf is preferred but a detailed text file (.txt) is acceptable. PLEASE include the number of points each upgrade and unit costs on your list.

Please email lists to ChaseLaq@gmail.com as soon as they are finalized.

8. If illegal units or other rules violations are found in a player’s army list, at a minimum, the models in violation will be removed from all subsequent play. In addition, tournament points may be deducted and/or award eligibility may be forfeited. If in doubt, please ask for clarification in advance from a Battleground Tournament Organizer.

9. Restrictions:

• This event will not use "Mysterious Terrain" (p.102-103).
• This event will not use "Archotech Artefacts" (p 106).
• This event will not use "Unique Terrain" (p. 107).
• This event will not allow The Fortress of Redemption.

A version of 3 of the following SCENARIOS will be used. (http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=5009.0)

HOW THE TOURNAMENT WORKS:

• Competitors will participate in three (3) games over the course of the day. In each game, you will play a scenario and record the outcome of the battle on your results sheet. Each round you will play a different opponent. Each round will last 2 hours and players will be given 15 minutes to deploy before this timer starts.

• In the first round, players will be matched up randomly. After the first round, players will be matched up according to current rankings in the tournament (based on the number of points they've scored) e.g., the player in first place will play the player in second place and so on. We will try our best not to pair players that come to the event together or regularly play each other in the first round. If a player receives a BYE they will be awarded the average of the winning players points for the round.

• You will not play the same person twice.

• We will do our best to prevent a player from playing on the same table twice.

• The pairings for each round will be announced as soon as they are determined. Please be sure to arrive at your table ready to play right away.

• Slow playing will NOT be tolerated. Players are expected to complete at least 4 rounds in each game. If you suspect your opponent is slow playing PLEASE notify a Battleground staff member as soon as possible as we can not do anything about alleged slow play after the fact.

• Each game will be played on a 4' x 6' board.

• Players will receive Results Sheets and Player's Choice Sheets for each round at the beginning of the event. Each results sheet must be filled in properly to ensure that match-ups and point totals are correct. Once the sheets are completed they are to be turned in at the counter so the scores can be entered into the computer.

BATTLES:

The SIXTH Edition Rulebook and FAQ will be in use for all games and will be the definitive guide for all rules. The time limit for each game is 2 hours. At the end of this time limit, the round will be called; players will need to finish the round as quickly as possible.

What You Need to Bring with You:
-Your (hopefully painted) miniatures
-At least TWO copies of your army list
-Rulebooks are required as are any additional books you need
-Pen and paper
-Dice and templates
-Tape measure
-Something to transport your army from table to table

STORE CREDIT AWARDS WILL BE GIVEN OUT TO:
Store credit is good for any product in the store and all subsequent events. It never expires and will be saved for you.

Best General

Player's Choice

These two awards will be among the most significant Battleground has ever awarded.

• A player may only receive one award.

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Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on December 12, 2012, 09:56:45 PM: The first 32 players that will be invited are:

Alex Fennell - confirmed
Ben Boulanger - confirmed
Ben Mohile - confirmed
Bill McFadden - confirmed
Bill Souza - confirmed
Bradley Powers - confirmed
Brian Prue - confirmed
Chris Scotti - confirmed
Dan Bunker - confirmed
Dean Johnson - confirmed (with bells on in fact)
Frank Doyle - confirmed
Hans Cote - confirmed
Jared Friedman - confirmed (as a stepping stone, no less)
Jason Orlowski - confirmed
Jeff Hobin - confirmed
Jeremiah Nesser - confirmed
Jordan Clark - confirmed
Keith Bonneau - confirmed
Matt Bennett - confirmed
Matt Forsyth - confirmed
Mike Defevers - confirmed
Mike Kachanis - probable
Nate Mello - confirmed
Ragnar Arneson - confirmed
Rick James - confirmed (TO's will cheat to ensure victory)
Roger Melo - confirmed
Ryan Deane - unable to attend
Simon Leen - confirmed
Terra Jonson - confirmed
Tiago Moniz - confirmed
Todd Silber - confirmed
Troy Esposito - confirmed

Graham Rockwell - confirmed.

All available spaces have been filled.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on December 13, 2012, 11:13:54 AM: All will be consumed.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on December 13, 2012, 11:20:10 AM: So.....no second or third place prizes?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on December 13, 2012, 11:37:20 AM: go big or go home!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on December 13, 2012, 07:30:09 PM: Quote from: Sir_Prometheus on December 13, 2012, 11:20:10 AM
So.....no second or third place prizes?

Correct.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on December 13, 2012, 11:34:05 PM: Quote from: keithb on December 13, 2012, 11:37:20 AM
go big or go home!

Also correct.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 14, 2012, 12:05:21 AM: Go hobby or go home!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: BrianP on December 14, 2012, 12:47:12 PM: Quote from: Benjamin on December 14, 2012, 12:05:21 AM
Go hobby or go home!

This would be true if we had a painting requirement :P ;D
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on December 14, 2012, 01:57:53 PM: I would have had no issue with a painting requirement if it was known a while ago.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 14, 2012, 07:35:43 PM: While not required, the history of scoring bears out that the players of unpainted armies will not win Player's Choice.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 16, 2012, 02:19:27 PM: Victory Points will be defined as follows:

Units Destroyed
At the end of the game, every unit that has been destroyed is worth an amount of Victory Points equal to its points cost (including the cost of all its extra wargear, vehicle upgrades, etc). Units that end the game falling back or off the battlefield count as destroyed.

Units at Half Strength
At the end of the game, every enemy surviving unit that has lost half of its initial models or more is worth an amount of Victory Points equal to half its points cost (including the cost of all its extra wargear, vehicle upgrades, etc), rounded down. In the case of units that start the game as a single model (independent characters, monstrous creatures, etc), they are worth half their points in composition points if they have lost half or more of the Wounds on their profile. In the case of vehicles, they are worth half their points cost in Victory Points if they are suffering from the effects of any Damaged result at the end of the game; or if they have lost half or more of the Hull Points on their profile.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 16, 2012, 02:26:08 PM: The quarter scoring for the Lateral Quarters mission is being significantly revised to read as follows:

Scoring of each lateral quarter will be decided by Victory Points. To score a table quarter, total the point values of any remaining Scoring AND Denial units in that quarter to find their Victory Point Total. The player with the highest Victory Point Total in each lateral quarter scores the appropriate amount of points, as detailed on the diagram.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Bill on December 16, 2012, 02:47:07 PM: How are generated units such as termagants being handled for VPs and KPs? Are they base cost for purposes of scoring quarters and opponent scoring VP? Are they worth nothing in both cases? Are they worth KP?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 16, 2012, 03:59:34 PM: Good questions. I'll confer with Sam.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on December 17, 2012, 05:51:39 PM: Quote from: Bill on December 16, 2012, 02:47:07 PM
How are generated units such as termagants being handled for VPs and KPs? Are they base cost for purposes of scoring quarters and opponent scoring VP? Are they worth nothing in both cases? Are they worth KP?

For the record, they HAVE to be at least worth KP, because my stupid drones spawned off a Devil fish are officially worth a KP.

The rest I think is a legit question.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on December 17, 2012, 06:00:58 PM: The invite roster has been updated. It's shaping up VERY well, with only 1 person of the original 32 not being able to make it. :)

Competition should be fierce.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on December 17, 2012, 07:01:38 PM: I presented the Termagant questions to Sam, and asked him to consider Chaos Spawn / Daemon Princes as well.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Sam on December 30, 2012, 07:14:10 PM: Spawned termagants will count for Victory Points and such, using the baseline cost in the codex. NOVA went that way, which is good enough for me.

CSM models turning into spawn and such from Chaos Boons aren't counted as killed until they actually die, so that's easy. In that case, they keep their normal VPs until slain. The Daemon version, where you turn an opponent into a spawn, is murkier. They have no VP cost (since the FAQ knocked that out), so you can't have the spawn be worth anything after that. So I'd rule that they give VPs and KPs as if killed when they first mutate and change ownership, and are worth no VPs after that (though they can give up a KP if killed a second time).
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on January 01, 2013, 11:18:09 AM: Quote from: Sam on December 30, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Spawned termagants will count for Victory Points and such, using the baseline cost in the codex. NOVA went that way, which is good enough for me.

CSM models turning into spawn and such from Chaos Boons aren't counted as killed until they actually die, so that's easy. In that case, they keep their normal VPs until slain. The Daemon version, where you turn an opponent into a spawn, is murkier. They have no VP cost (since the FAQ knocked that out), so you can't have the spawn be worth anything after that. So I'd rule that they give VPs and KPs as if killed when they first mutate and change ownership, and are worth no VPs after that (though they can give up a KP if killed a second time).

I really have to disagree Sam, if creating a new unit is worth VPs for Tyranids, why is it not the case for Chaos?

1) you can't ever "untransform" something, so it is basically dead, but in turning your lord into a demon or spawn, I agree, it is more of a buff/debuff in terms of in game effect.

2) If I kill one of your models, and it creates a new unit for me, it 100% should be worth KP and VP. Why would it not be?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Loranus on January 01, 2013, 01:16:39 PM: The Chaos Spawn is optional to put on the table from the Daemon Codex though. If you have the model you can replace it.

I think Sam. is saying that the Killed Model is worth a KP and/or VP and the Spawn it spawns is not worth anything.

Example: Boon on my Space Marine Captain. He Fails becomes a Spawn Daemon player gets 100 VP and the KP for it but if I kill the Chaos Spawn model it is worth no VP or KP for me.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 01, 2013, 02:45:38 PM: Yo dawg, what if I boon the spawn that you from a boon? And then you boon it back?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 02, 2013, 02:25:29 AM: I feel like turning a chaos spawn into a chaos spawn would be like crossing the beams.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on January 02, 2013, 01:59:29 PM: Quote from: Loranus on January 01, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
The Chaos Spawn is optional to put on the table from the Daemon Codex though. If you have the model you can replace it.

I think Sam. is saying that the Killed Model is worth a KP and/or VP and the Spawn it spawns is not worth anything.

Example: Boon on my Space Marine Captain. He Fails becomes a Spawn Daemon player gets 100 VP and the KP for it but if I kill the Chaos Spawn model it is worth no VP or KP for me.

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. I am disagreeing with it. Creating a new unit should either be worth VPs or not, Regardless of the book used.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 02, 2013, 07:29:19 PM: It applies to the case where Chaos champions (or whatever) roll on the table to become either a Daemon Prince or Spawn. The Champion isn't killed. It's simply transformed. When the transformed model finally dies, then award VPs equal to the original unit's cost.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 03, 2013, 03:36:41 AM: Yeah....I fail to see the conflict here. There is a pretty clear difference between a transformed model and a newly created one.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: keithb on January 03, 2013, 11:32:45 AM: Quote
So I'd rule that they give VPs and KPs as if killed when they first mutate and change ownership, and are worth no VPs after that (though they can give up a KP if killed a second time).

This would imply the power you can turn an enemy into a spawn. Or is that no longer possible?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 04, 2013, 12:44:23 AM: Quote from: keithb on January 03, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
Quote
So I'd rule that they give VPs and KPs as if killed when they first mutate and change ownership, and are worth no VPs after that (though they can give up a KP if killed a second time).

This would imply the power you can turn an enemy into a spawn. Or is that no longer possible?
Boon of Mutation is still a thing in the Daemon codex, if that's what you're asking.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Sam on January 05, 2013, 01:50:10 AM: Clarification:

In the CSM codex, you can turn one of your own guys into a spawn or a daemon prince. In this case, they're still under your control, so you haven't really lost them. If such models are killed by your opponent later in the game, they are worth whatever victory points they were worth originally, before transformation.

In the Chaos Daemons codex, you can turn an opponent's model into a spawn (which is then under your control). When transformed, the model counts as slain, and immediately grants its Victory Points (per its point total on the army list). The resulting spawn under your control is worth no further Victory Points (as spawn do not have a points cost in the Daemon codex), but it is worth a Kill Point in any mission that keeps track of such things.

You're free to disagree, Keith, but I can't assign a VP total to a unit that doesn't have a points cost in that codex. Different codexes, different rules, different outcomes.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 06, 2013, 02:40:52 AM: There wouldn't have been a tournament or an Invitational without an awesome community. Thanks to everyone who participated! This will happen again, once the timing is figured out between this and all the other awesome 40k events in the works.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: PhoenixFire on January 06, 2013, 01:28:00 PM: A great time yesterday, Thanks to Ben, Chase, Sam and everyone else who put it together
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: King of the Elves on January 06, 2013, 08:39:50 PM: So I want to know, who won? Who lost? What where the winning lists? What where the prizes?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Mannahnin on January 06, 2013, 08:57:24 PM: Todd Silber, out of Connecticut (home store The Battle Standard) won Best General - $400 store credit, using his Dark Eldar. He missed 2 out of a possible 129 battle points. It's a mixed mech list anchored by a Grotesque deathstar led by Urian and (crap, blanking), the Baron(?).

Alex Fennell (home store also TBS) won Player's Choice, fielding his pink Necrons with Chaos Space Marine allies. Alex as usual has a mixed bag of stuff; just two flyers in the Necron portion, the CSM were a Daemon Prince and some cultists. Same prize.

Thanks very much, once again, to Chase, Ben, Sam, and everyone else involved in organizing and running this and other events. The hard work is much appreciated and it was a ton of fun. Thanks to Jordan, Tiago, and Dan for three great, fun games, and to the whole crowd of guys who show up at this great store and make these events so sociable and competitive, in particular the guys who always put in the effort to bring fully-painted, attractive armies. You guys rock!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Bill on January 06, 2013, 09:32:55 PM: It was a really fun day for sure. Thanks to those who ran it and those who came out.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: King of the Elves on January 06, 2013, 09:48:09 PM: Quote from: Mannahnin on January 06, 2013, 08:57:24 PM
$400 store credit

WHAT! That's a ton of battle bucks!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on January 07, 2013, 01:57:19 AM: Yeah, it's nice when the community comes out in big numbers a bunch of times so that we can give out solid prizes.

Results will be up tomorrow.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Typhus on January 07, 2013, 10:54:30 AM: Quote from: Chase on January 07, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
Yeah, it's nice when the community comes out in big numbers a bunch of times so that we can give out solid prizes.

Results will be up tomorrow.

I demand the moral victory for doing what I planned to do; be people's stepping stones to victory.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Moosifer on January 07, 2013, 10:55:54 AM: I still say there should have been a smoking boots....
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 07, 2013, 07:49:24 PM: Quote from: Moosifer on January 07, 2013, 10:55:54 AM
I still say there should have been a smoking boots....
The Invitational is not an invite for players to suck.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: bradpowers on January 07, 2013, 09:38:03 PM: I had a great time, thanks to everybody who put the invitational on, and to everyone who played. I had three excellent games, which was awesome. Thanks in particular to Ben, both for our super fun game (HEADSHOT!) and for all the work he did to make this thing happen.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Benjamin on January 07, 2013, 11:35:53 PM: Brad, I sent Chase the picture I took right before the HEADSHOT! Hopefully it'll get posted up with the event pictures. Pride before the fall...
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Chase on January 07, 2013, 11:51:46 PM: Gonna wait till I get home to post that stuff. It's been crazy busy here with stuff today / tonight.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: bradpowers on January 07, 2013, 11:58:19 PM: Heheheh. Fear the mighty Scout! Even Bill learned that, as my Scout sergeant beat the crap out of his gargoyles..... solo. Granted, he was the only effective model in that whole game, but the point stands ;D
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Bill on January 08, 2013, 07:46:27 AM: I tossed and turned that night in a cold sweat thinking of all the gargoyles he swatted down....::shivers::
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: bradpowers on January 08, 2013, 10:56:41 AM: After numerous attempts to heal his grevious injuries, the Blood Angels Apothecarium has selected Scout Sergeant Norris ( ;)) for interment in the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought "Ucksay It Argoylesgay" so that he can put a much larger boot up Gargoyle bum for centuries to come.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] Battleground's Warhammer 40k Invitational 2012
Post by: Banosby on January 08, 2013, 07:19:35 PM: Aye, three great games and a lot of fun. It was nice getting to see everyone again and the tournament was, as always, well run.