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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: the_trooper on February 16, 2013, 08:48:01 AM
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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1950012a (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1950012a)
Death From The Skies
Death from the Skies brings the white-knuckle intensity of aerial combat in the 41st Millennium to your tabletop, featuring selected material from White Dwarf magazine, the Crusade of Fire supplement and exclusive new content. Exclusively available from games-workshop.com, this 72-page, full colour softback compendium book is crammed with background information, gaming ideas and hobby inspiration to help you bring the battle for air superiority to life.
It includes: a detailed account of the Battle for Cardrim, featuring White Scars Space Marines, Necrons and Orks locked in a deadly battle for control of a vital airfield; four new Air War missions that showcase the lightning-fast nature of aerial warfare; optional rules for dogfighting and veteran fighter aces for your Warhammer 40,000 games; and a showcase of beautifully painted Flyers from the 'Eavy Metal collection.
There are rules for using the Stormraven Gunship with a Codex: Space Marines and Black Templars army; updated rules for the range of Warhammer 40,000 Flyer models, including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.
Please note: Death from the Skies is available in English language only.
lol
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Some folks are speculating that this is because copies of the back issue of WD are still available in other languages, whereas the English-language versions are sold out. Of course, that would imply that the rules aren't changing for these flyers.
Did everyone notice that new FAQs just hit? The main changes I'm seeing are some flyer updates; SM & Black Templars both get Stormravens and Storm Talons. SRs, Valks, Vendettas, and Necron Flyers all lost Deep Strike. Valks/Vends also completely lost Scout; so no more Outflanking for certain now.
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Funny how daemons and tau were left out, new codexes soon perhaps.. mwhaha
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Funny how daemons and tau were left out, new codexes soon perhaps.. mwhaha
Daemons march
Tau april
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So, since this is direct only and limits people's accessibility of this book, should this be banned from tournament play like FW?
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thats what im curious about. Im not going to buy a Storm Raven for my Ultra Marines if i cant use it
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So, since this is direct only and limits people's accessibility of this book, should this be banned from tournament play like FW?
I have already heard this is the case for other stores, that they have banned the book.
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No plans to ban this book.
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Fwoosh!
Some of the new flyer rules must be for flamers, because that's the sound of the new Death from the Skies supplement (which is available as of today exclusively through the Games Workshop website) burning bridges at several independent retail stores.
Here's an open letter from Pat Fuge, CEO of the Gnome Games retail chain in Wisconsin:
"Dear Games Workshop. You have made it less than desirable to sell your games and allow our place space to be used for your exclusive sales to the customers we take care of. For that reason all content in your new Aerial Combat Book is banned for all of our events. The book will not be allowed in our stores and is considered contraband.
GW players if you want to trade in your armies for store credit for Warmachine we have an opportunity for you. Please email ihategw@gnomegames.com for details."
Gary Ray of Black Diamond Games posted a similar sentiment on his blog:
"Trade in your current edition Warhammer 40K or Warhammer Fantasy rulebook and you take 40% off a starter box or rulebook for Warmachine or Hordes. We've done this with role-playing before, notably D&D and Pathfinder, so we know there are likely a bunch of rulebooks gathering dust and the need for excuses to start a new game. Let this be your excuse."
Additionally, as of this posting several other independent retailers have pledged to ban the use of Death from the Skies in their stores. The supplement represents a tipping point in the strained relationship between independent retailers and Games Workshop, which released several exclusive products through their official website recently, cutting out independent retailers and driving consumers directly to Games Workshop for their hobby fix.
Saw this online, I think that GW is digging it's own grave at this point.
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Pat Fuge runs what is probably the most successful pair of game stores in the country. He definitely knows what he's doing as it pertains to his business.
I have a strong reason to believe his WHFB and 40k customer base is a bit different than ours, however.
He's very good at getting companies to listen to him and very good at getting results. He's also got a fiercely loyal customer base that will support him and his choices.
I don't think he'll get much of anywhere with GW, but he's definitely got the loudest voice in our industry.
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I never understood why a company or store would ban anything that they sell.. it's like cutting off your own foot. It's like, "we sell this but you can't use it in tourneys". Makes no sense business wise or gameplay wise. I speak in general terms, like handfuls of stores and things like 6th ed banning allies, fliers, heroes etc. I think if everyone played the game as designed then there would be no need to hit the panic button after every release. Just my 2c
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I never understood why a company or store would ban anything that they sell.. it's like cutting off your own foot. It's like, "we sell this but you can't use it in tourneys".
But that's the point. It's direct-only, so they CAN'T sell it. The customers can only get it from GW.
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From the descriptions I've heard of the content of this book, I don't understand why anyone would buy it anyway. The truly "new stuff" (pages for SM and Black Templar variations of the StormRaven, dogfighting rules, and the very minor rules tweaks that are already in the faq's) sounds like it would fit in a 4-5 page White Dwarf article, and then as a bonus, they throw in all of the rules from existing codexes for existing flyers, and charge $33 for it all together in one volume. How is this useful to anyone? What's next "Death with Hooves" where they print all the cavalry units from every codex together in one hard cover volume?
I was hoping it would contain significantly changed rules and/or points adjustments for existing flyers. This would have made a lot of sense considering that flyers became a drastically different unit type in 6th edition, so it would be tough for costs for previously printed units to remain appropriate...
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Well, of course what I was REALLY hoping for was lots of actual new flyers. But failing that, re-working the rules of old flyers would have at least made me "respect" this book.
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Also the_trooper can you maybe edit the Title of this thread? I don't think U.S. politics or racism belong in BG threads. Even in Massachusetts, statistics say about every 2 out of 5 of the people you know are conservative. I don't think its fair to label any group of people.
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Also the_trooper can you maybe edit the Title of this thread? I don't think U.S. politics or racism belong in BG threads. Even in Massachusetts, statistics say about every 2 out of 5 of the people you know are conservative. I don't think its fair to label any group of people.
No. Please don't troll this thread.
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Your own insecurities are not at issue here. What is at issue is that this book is limited in it's release scope and that it is only written in one language even though they offer the other official rules in other languages. For some reason, GW happened to be alienating many of it's fans for no rational reason I can see.
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whats a gop?
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is it like a gooey cop?
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Also the_trooper can you maybe edit the Title of this thread? I don't think U.S. politics or racism belong in BG threads. Even in Massachusetts, statistics say about every 2 out of 5 of the people you know are conservative. I don't think its fair to label any group of people.
No. Please don't troll this thread.
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Your own insecurities are not at issue here. What is at issue is that this book is limited in it's release scope and that it is only written in one language even though they offer the other official rules in other languages. For some reason, GW happened to be alienating many of it's fans for no rational reason I can see.
Which brings the question would the rules from this book be banned? Maybe GW thinks the Majority of English speakers want to have 40k air craft battles yet others dont?
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Which brings the question would the rules from this book be banned? Maybe GW thinks the Majority of English speakers want to have 40k air craft battles yet others dont?
I would just image that this would only be in play for English speaking countries. It's odd because out of the 19 countries GW does business with, more are non-English countries then English ones.
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Which brings the question would the rules from this book be banned? Maybe GW thinks the Majority of English speakers want to have 40k air craft battles yet others dont?
I would just image that this would only be in play for English speaking countries. It's odd because out of the 19 countries GW does business with, more are non-English countries then English ones.
Maybe, but GW also know that in Mainland Europe there are a great deal more kids that can speak English as a second language than Brits or Americans can manage a second language, calculated risk maybe?
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White Dwarf Junio 2012 (WD 206)
Las reglas actualizdas para la Cañonera Stormtalon y la
Cañonera Stormraven aparecen en el compendio Death From
the Skies.
Pulled that off the Spanish FAQ which tells them to refer to the Death from the Skies Compendium. I can see some anger about it. In my mind it is a compendium but including something new upsets me. It isn't 50$ its the price of the Old Codexes at 33$. I will probably get a way to look at it and I think some of the stuff may be optional rules I am just curious about the points and stats for the Space Marine Version of the Stormraven.
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ive bit the bullet and ordered a book. My curiosity is to high on the new stuff ill be glad to share.
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An update to GW's stupidity:
**STOP PRESS**
Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock. We will make this book available to purchase as soon as we are able, in the meantime please keep checking back on this product page for any updates.
*some stuff about the book*
Availability: No Longer Available Part Code: 60040199031
Either they ran out or pulled it after the nerd rage.
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An update to GW's stupidity:
**STOP PRESS**
Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock. We will make this book available to purchase as soon as we are able, in the meantime please keep checking back on this product page for any updates.
*some stuff about the book*
Availability: No Longer Available Part Code: 60040199031
Either they ran out or pulled it after the nerd rage.
You really must miss the GW Facebook page LOL. From the title to the assumption that the company is "Stupid" your thread's been one big troll of GW.
Good to see you're enjoying yourself with this nonsense though ;)
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Alienating coustomers is never wise.
Unless they are counter trolling, you don't release a FAQ in Spanish and then tell them to consult an English book.
Unless...
GW are brilliant master trolls. It all makes sense!
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This book seems like a pointless waste of money.
I will say that the title of thread brings politics into this in a completely unnecessary and divisive reason. Assuming the book is going to be a marginal release, and they didn't want to spend the money to translate it, obviously it's going to be in English.
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This book seems like a pointless waste of money.
I will say that the title of thread brings politics into this in a completely unnecessary and divisive reason. Assuming the book is going to be a marginal release, and they didn't want to spend the money to translate it, obviously it's going to be in English.
Sorry, I don't really follow politics so I didn't know it would bother you.
How do you know the book is unnecessary, do you have it already?
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You said "GOP". I would feel similar if I dunno, you had found some way to tie it to liberal politics. Just unnecessary.
As to why it's a waste? Because it's merely a repackaging of old rules.
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Thanks, I'll keep in mind to stay away from liberal politcal speech too. I never found it too divisive. I should pull myself out of my games more often. :-\
It *might* be a repackage of the old rules. No one can confirm or deny it.
In the preview, it states:
including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.
Also, since you don't play vanilla marines with a storm raven, it's unnecessary but at the very least, BT, SM and Orks require it (if they want to use fliers). The other ones listed in the quote might too. I'm sure Grand Master Steve will give us the load out when he gets his book.
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You don't really need to own the book if you want to use a SR in your BT list. Don't be silly.
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The new faqs out changed skies of blood and shadow skies to a universal "skies of fury" which i assume this new flyer book will also give this universal rule to vanilla and BT as well.
In fact there's already an FAQ out on the new flyer book saying if you take a storaven for GK it must take mindstrike missiles.
Personally i won't be wasting the money as i only have a small vanilla force and am not really a fan of fliers in general.
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Do BT and SM both get "blood" strike missiles?
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Do BT and SM both get "blood" strike missiles?
RUMOR has it that they get unique missiles, or a new generic missile. There is another RUMOR for chapter specific upgrades which could look like this:
XYZ missile (black templars only)
Blessed Hull +15 (black templars only)
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Word from folks with the iCodex is that the SM SR is just like the BA one, except that instead of Bloodstrike missiles you get S8 AP2 Concussive.
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Here's the deal with this book as of today:
It was "Available to Order" only (GW Direct Order only). It was not advertised to stores ahead of time. I CAN order it like a normal "special order" now... except for the fact that it's sold out.
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Word from folks with the iCodex is that the SM SR is just like the BA one, except that instead of Bloodstrike missiles you get S8 AP2 Concussive.
Consussive actually has some good uses. But then, so do mindstrikes.
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Points change for the storm talon and it seems other rules changes. Should be interesting. Maybe the valkyrie went up in points.
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Points change for the storm talon and it seems other rules changes. Should be interesting. Maybe the valkyrie went up in points.
Usually when there are points changes they put them in the FAQs. If they start changing points in this book and not the codex they are basically saying "hey you HAVE to buy this book if you want to use it"
Of course this IS GW and the last few years their company policy has been price hikes and "need to buy" items.
So i guess i wouldn't be surprised, this is an interesting snippit from BOLS though...
There also seems to be some hidden asset type rules as well; "There are even special manoeuvres that can be taken by pilots, such as the brutal Dark Eldar slash attack, the Necron firing protocols or the aptly named 'Smash 'em' for the Orks, which essentially results in a mid-air collision."
Will be interesting to see what these "special" rules are and if tournament organizers are going to allow them
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I doubt the Valk/Vendetta changed point costs; the updated IG codex FAQ doesn't point you to DftS for its rules.
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I heard because of this book many stores want to boy cot GW as it hurts their clients. I had no idea it was a direct only. I bought it off line because I got overly excited and thought BG was going to get some just not until much latter. I read a bunch of stores are banning the book and its rules as well as offering people to trade for Privateer press stuff.
Personaly Privateer press has been on my crap list since Its impossible to get models you want right away. I order shifting stones before BG abington moved and I still dont have shifting stones. I think they are just as bad to clients as GW. I think the new rules will be fun and im sure people like myself who did manage to get a copy are happy to share with the rest of the community new rule changes. You cant hog new rules to your self any way, how are people you play supposed to know what your stuff does?
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I really don't think there's much in the way of new rules. Maybe a dog fight system for flyers, and system akin to stratagems for flyers? No one will ever use either in a tournament, and rarely even in casual games.
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I know it has rules for new fliers and Stormravens for regular marines and black templars
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Here's the deal with this book as of today:
It was "Available to Order" only (GW Direct Order only). It was not advertised to stores ahead of time. I CAN order it like a normal "special order" now... except for the fact that it's sold out.
Well, that's certainly good news. Well, regardless of reason, I'm glad GW stopped some of it's stupidity. I'll pick it up when Cale can get it then. There was no way I would go directly to GW for this.
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The only NEW Rules in the Book are the Flyers for Space Marines and Black Templar the Dogfighting Rules and all that are in Crusade of Fire I think it is. Most of the Scenarios were introduced I think in White Dwarf as well when they released the Storm Talon and Ork Flyers.
I cant convince myself to get upset over this at all. It is a Book that is direct order they done direct order only stuff before usually with their hobby supplies. It cuts out for them all the crap of what happened to Gamer's Edition and Collector's Edition versions of books where you had so many orders coming in from too many sources and needed to tell customers nope sorry.
Privateer Press has had it's share of Major Screw ups with pieces such as with the Khador Colossal when they were missing was it the Legs or Torso.
I wish Games Workshop would open its Digital Books to a different platform than the IOS though.
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They think there's less risk of it being pirated on iOS. This is in no way true, of course.
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The only NEW Rules in the Book are the Flyers for Space Marines and Black Templar the Dogfighting Rules and all that are in Crusade of Fire I think it is. Most of the Scenarios were introduced I think in White Dwarf as well when they released the Storm Talon and Ork Flyers.
I cant convince myself to get upset over this at all. It is a Book that is direct order they done direct order only stuff before usually with their hobby supplies. It cuts out for them all the crap of what happened to Gamer's Edition and Collector's Edition versions of books where you had so many orders coming in from too many sources and needed to tell customers nope sorry.
Privateer Press has had it's share of Major Screw ups with pieces such as with the Khador Colossal when they were missing was it the Legs or Torso.
I wish Games Workshop would open its Digital Books to a different platform than the IOS though.
yes as far as I can tell the book is just a synopsis of all those white dwarfs plus rules that give Generic Marines and Black Templars access to Stormravens. I heard rumors that there are rules for a Tau Flier, an Eldar Flier and some sort of Dark Eldar Bomber.
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Theres a Dark Eldar bomber?????!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit I hope its the voidraven! OMG if theres rules for the voidraven now omg omg omg.
Wait a minute...
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Interesting different way of looking at Games Workshop doing a direct order only on the book.
Comparing to other books that Games Workshop sells. Death from the Skies has not been planned months ahead of time and is a relatively quick release compared to other books. This means they have not been printing them out and have a limited initial supply. Now maybe Games Workshop learned from the release of 6th edition with limited copies of the Collector's and Gamer's Editions that trying to send out copies to Independent Retailers and your own Stores would be an issue because Store A wants 10 copies Store B wants 7 and Store C wants 12 and you only have 15 copies and you are selling some through your Own Branch. To keep this from being a Major issue they chose the path that Independent Stores could Special Order Copies and it would be Direct Order Only so they would be able to better handle the demand of the book as their supplies are limited. Unfortunately this was not explained or perceived by the Independent Retailer and Player Base and just seen as a Cash out to try and take their money with a Book that is Cheaper (33$) than the new normal Rulebook/Codexes (50$) required to play the game. It is not a Limited Edition book but a book in limited Supply.
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i just wish games work shop would man up and tell people why the choose to do what they did then people wont be so mad
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If your man cheats on you once, you might be able to forgive him.
If your man cheats on you twice, you may struggle to forgive him if he promises to change.
If your man cheats on you thrice, you're a sucker to take him back.
GW is your man.
The reason people get so aggravated with GW is that they have a long history of messing around with the "little guy". So it's not assuming the worst, it's presuming the worst based on past experiences. GW is continuing to test and push the consumer harder to see what kind of things they can pull off to test "what the market will bear". I am pretty certain this is just more of GW testing and pushing.
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If your man cheats on you once, you might be able to forgive him.
If your man cheats on you twice, you may struggle to forgive him if he promises to change.
If your man cheats on you thrice, you're a sucker to take him back.
GW is your man.
The reason people get so aggravated with GW is that they have a long history of messing around with the "little guy". So it's not assuming the worst, it's presuming the worst based on past experiences. GW is continuing to test and push the consumer harder to see what kind of things they can pull off to test "what the market will bear". I am pretty certain this is just more of GW testing and pushing.
OH MY GOD! you've just made me realize i'm Rhiana and GW is Chris Brown!
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I was going for Taylor Swift.
"I will never evereverever get that book direct from GW"
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via Mike Brandt at Whiskey & 40k
How to Handle a $30 Direct-Only "Errata" as a TO
So, Games Workshop released its Death from the Skies booklet, changing rules for several common and popular fliers in the game of 40k, adding them to codices, and only selling it direct order ... plus, selling it.
It's like an errata you have to pay $30 for.
Well said, Mr. Brandt.
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How much is a stormtalon now? takable range? I would run the shit out of them if it were like... 100 points
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130 but 15-155 if your replace the heavy bolter with anything interesting.
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130 but 15-155 if your replace the heavy bolter with anything interesting.
Is that an increase from white dwarf? Or did they get cheaper?
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That's just the cost.
Really guys, this book has no new rules (unless you count a 3rd variation on SR missiles) for use in normal 40k, no new pt costs. It just comiles old rules and says you can use the SM fliers with a few more SM armies. It really is a FAQ they want you to pay for, best description of it yet.
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All you need is Here (http://store.privateerpress.com/warmachineplasticbattleboxes.aspx) and Here (http://store.privateerpress.com/hordeswarpacks.aspx).
You are this thread now.
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If Privateer hired away all of the GW sculptors, started commissioning Dan Abnett to write novels, and launched a game called "WarMaul 43,312" I'd probably switch over.
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Dude, any and all 40k novels are awful. Dan abnet's just the least awful.
I like Privateer press sculpts, personally. Very dynamic, very stylistic, typically better faces than GWs. Yes, I get it if you don't think the ape like warjacks are cool, but that's really just a style issue, and there's a lot of other options if you don't find them attractive. I'm not sure where everyone saying "OMG GW has the best quality models evar" comes from.
Some GW models are cool -- I like Ork battlewagons, GK PA and termies, the new deathwing termies. Helldrakes. Juggernauts.
Other models are awful. Stormravens (well, it has a certain brutish, A-10 attractiveness), the new DA speeders, Dreadknights, all are hilariously bad looking.
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Matt that is personal opinion on the novels. I have very much enjoyed all the spacewolf novels I have read and several other of the heresey books.
Your word or opinion does not = fact it is just that opinion.
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I'm surprised it made it to 4 pages without someone advocating playing WM/H. 8)
Storm of Iron was a fun read.
Matt, why don't you play WM/H then?
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I don't like ALL the GW models. But I have never seen a Privateer model that was 1/10 as cool as a Dark Eldar Raider, a Trygon, a Grey Knight Terminator, a Forgeworld Greater Daemon, or probably 50 other models from 40k that I could name. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder... but that is why this beholder is sticking with 40k even though Privateer seems to be a lot better at writing rules and at making their players players feel appreciated.
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Matt that is personal opinion on the novels.................Your word or opinion does not = fact it is just that opinion.
Yes.....when someone says "this sucks" they are intrinsically voicing an opinion. Why are you trying to make it sound like I was saying otherwise?
Matt, why don't you play WM/H then?
I do? I have a lot of sunk cost with 40k, though. My best of all worlds scenario would be if GW emulated a lot of PP's successful behaviors, mostly in the rules department.
Why the hell can't I complain about something without you piping up with "why don't you do/not do that, then?" Let a man whine about unimportant shit in peace.
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U mad bro?
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Frustrated, little bit.
Also, stop trolling, I don't think anyone thinks its funny.
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Just put him on ignore, you don't lose anything.
I don't think Trooper was trying to be critical of you RE: WM/H, he probably thinks, and I agree with him, that you would greatly prefer the PP ruleset to GW. I am not sure about gameplay and style, but certainly the ruleset.
Ignore Troy, he is a fanboi. Spacewolf novels can't be bad, ergo, your opinion is wrong.
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LOl keith you sly dog! Space Wolf for life man! Live it, Love it, breath it! Then go play WM/H MUHAHAHA
Matt, I called you out because all I see from 90% of your posts is bullshit. It annoys me as does your demeanor when you play a game of 40k. Personally I have no issues with you as you are a decent dude but when you play 40k your DBag. This of course is my opinion.
For a while you were making efforts and I saw improvements which made me happy for you. Recently this has all debunked again. Please dont take this as me ragging on you as that is not my intent but take it as feedback so you can better yourself and image in the 40k community.
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Just put him on ignore, you don't lose anything.
I don't think Trooper was trying to be critical of you RE: WM/H, he probably thinks, and I agree with him, that you would greatly prefer the PP ruleset to GW. I am not sure about gameplay and style, but certainly the ruleset.
Ignore Troy, he is a fanboi. Spacewolf novels can't be bad, ergo, your opinion is wrong.
I agree here man. Yeah your entitled to whine but as ive found the hard way....no one likes reading your whines. What I do is try to not let emotions get in the way and state its my opinion I think it sucks and not make it sound like fact. Your entitled to whine, but other people are entiled to their views too, and other people are entitled to say STFU we dont want to hear it.
So yeah when you see something you dont like just say heres my opinion instead of just saying it, and remember every one is entitled to an opinion doesnt always mean yours or theirs are the right ones.
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Ok.....not to get in an English lesson here but certain statements are inherently opinions and there really shouldn't be a need to raise an "opinion" flag for it. ...whatevs.
Matt, I called you out because all I see from 90% of your posts is bullshit.
No Comment, other than to say I feel fairly free to express opinions about what I think sucks, is awesome, or how I think things should happen. I don't even feel the need to justify those opinions, but I'm willing to try. But see? You can too.
Space wolves are for twilight fans.
For the rest.....definitely no comment.
you would greatly prefer the PP ruleset to GW. I am not sure about gameplay and style, but certainly the ruleset.
I really like the warmahordes rulesset, it is clear, exact, and balanced. Even more than the exact ruleset I LOVE their philosophy towards rules. I.e. little things like writing rules in a highly precise and inarguable format, but also explaining those rules in "plain english" alongside, so that it is clear to new gamer as quickly as possible. Like, "yes, Reach + open fist really does mean you can do this" or "remember this model has the stealth rule, and thus..." or whatever the heck it is. If rule is broken (due either to a rules conflict or a clear power imbalance) it is fixed post-haste, though that seems rarely required.
I also love my Cryx army.
As to why I don't play it more....I dunno, sunk cost, like I said, I guess. Maybe I'm just afraid of getting my ass kicked at a game I'm not good at yet. :'(
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I love Twilight! Those wolves rock!! Regardless if you comment or not think about what i said man. If you want to talk to me and take this off the public eye I am more then happy to do that as well.
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If you want to talk about recent events I don't mind. But my version of things may just make you think I'm just being obstinate
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I don't troll. I'm totally serious.
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That may be true Matt however I dont think it is your views but how they are presented. As a community in general we the 40k players are a fairly small group so things like reputations and the way others view us is prominate.
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Not what I meant.
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It is however what I meant. When it comes to a point that a person is consistantly getting low sports and people no longer wish to play said person it becomes an issue for the community. That being said I think personally you are a good dude but somethings happens when you play the game.
I am only bringing this up to try and help you grow, however lets take this to PM as I have now hijacked this thread and that was not my intent.
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It is however what I meant. When it comes to a point that a person is consistantly getting low sports and people no longer wish to play said person it becomes an issue for the community. That being said I think personally you are a good dude but somethings happens when you play the game.
I am only bringing this up to try and help you grow, however lets take this to PM as I have now hijacked this thread and that was not my intent.
For the record, I agree with everything Grimwulfe said about you, except for the part where you're a good guy in real life (since I never actually met you). You should take up his offer.
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I don't think Trooper was trying to be critical of you RE: WM/H, he probably thinks, and I agree with him, that you would greatly prefer the PP ruleset to GW. I am not sure about gameplay and style, but certainly the ruleset.
WM/H is just a really great game and more people should play it. I actually firmly believe that the more PP succeeds, the more GW will *have* to take notice and adjust (hopefully in a positive way).
Matt, I made a thread complaining about GW's habits. I am with you on being able to complain. I have found great enjoyment in WM/H and was hoping to spread the good word.
I will, however, call you a cheese-head for playing Cryx.
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Rich your making me miss my Everblight army stop it!
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Rich your making me miss my Everblight army stop it!
GOOD YOU SHOULD.
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however lets take this to PM as I have
Then why the flying F wouldn't you just PM me instead of calling me a "nice guy, but totally a douche" in public 3 times? I'm kinda not interested anymore.
I will, however, call you a cheese-head for playing Cryx.
I picked Cryx the same way I pick all my armies -- I liked the look of them. It doesn't seem to me that the power disparities in WM are big enough that you can call anybody cheesy for running anything.
I really like the Bane models and the slayer double fist jacks and variants. I don't think my Cryx wind up looking the way most cryx armies do.
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This is the internet. Everything but the army I play is cheesey.
You are right though, PP is pretty great at balancing things. Even things that seem almost unstoppable to some lists have really hard counters.
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Quote from: Grimwulfe on Today at 10:39:54 AM
however lets take this to PM as I have
Then why the flying F wouldn't you just PM me instead of calling me a "nice guy, but totally a douche" in public 3 times? I'm kinda not interested anymore.
That is your choice. Your are a nice guy but a douche to play against. I offered to take it to PM's several times however you never initiated the talk. In the end its your life man but sometimes people need a reality check. Im not the only person that has had difficulties in playing you or has expressed my distaste with your gaming habbits. I tried to help but in the end its your choice. When a time comes that you get banned from tournies or MORE people refuse to play you then maybe you will see why I started this in the public eye. I tried to give you the opportunity to help yourself.
Am I the end all be all. Hell no im an asshole but I have never had an issue on a game table or have ever had the negative press you get. Good luck to you Matt I wish you the best I honestly do.
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4 times.
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not to gang up on you but he is right Matt. I have heard lots of BAD things about you. Also on the forums you do nothing but complain. During the tournament if I had to play you, i was going to throw it to opt to play some one else and have fun. You suck the fun out of the game by taking it to seriously. The pre-tournament thread I could not beleive how much complaining you did over a game that involves little plastic men. When you were pointed out to me I was surprised because I thought you would be younger by acting and reacting the way you do. Maybe your a cool dude in person, I dont know ive never met you in person directly. But from what I hear and see your just not some one I would want to play a casual game with. You need to see the difference between casual and non. The game is not about winning and loosing its about being fun to play a game. If you cant grasp that, then pick up Magic the Gathering and give up Miniture gaming.
What I say is harsh but its to let you know how the community sees your play style and like Grim said it may lead to no one wanting to play you. This isnt the Olympics, this isnt a high stakes poker game, its 40k, you need to relax unwind and just have fun win, or loose.
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I don't even know you dude. I've formed all sorts of opinions about you too based on your forum postings.....most of them not good, either. Did you want me to tell you about them? I'd rather not actually, it wouldn't be helpful. Maybe I'd like you in real life, maybe I wouldn't. It's probably better I find that out then, I think.
I really still don't feel at ALL apologetic about pointing out that Horus Heresy rules are not meant to be used alongside normal 40k rules......because they're not. Many people objected to my objecting.....ok? I really don't care, it's silly and makes about as much sense as allowing super-heavies. Being in the minority doesn't really change that. No one really wound up taking horus heresy anything, so go figure.
Tournaments aren't usually considered casual. Nonetheless everyone told me the abington doubles tournament was going to be a casual day. I took a casual list, I was playing with my buddy who plays 40k like 3 or 4 times a year. I took a Tau special character that really isn't especially good, I just like the model and own the book.
First turn I run into Alex Fennel and a (newly) classic all ravenwing with devastation banner list. Alright. Alex was a perfect gentleman, but it kinda pisses me off that everyone was hyping what a casual event it was going to be, and a few people said, "this may not be your kinda event, Matt", mostly because I dared to comment one the ruloeset.
I'm really not interested in discussing this any more in public. If you feel a desperate need to talk about it, YOU can msg ME if you want. That's what I meant, btw Troy--if you really want to talk to me about it, I can let you know everything I think, but I didn't especially feel the need. But, y'know, thanks for keeping it quiet and all.
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I suppose you dont seem to get it. If we ever meet in person im sure we would get along. 40k tournaments were always meant for the most part to be casual unless its an ard boyz or what ever when it does matter. Its not that you object, its your approach of doing it. I cant really explain with out sounding like an asshole so I wont.
If your ever in abington and want to schedual a casual game with me let me know im always up for one when im free. ill tell ya what, ill even spot the Pizza and drinks. Im not trying to show hard feelings or break what ever image it is you have of me or what ever just trying to tell you what others have been saying. If you feel the need to PM me to tell me your formulated opinions on me feel free im sure we can discuss.
Back on the thread topic im expecting my book any day now and ill be happy to share with who ever wants to photo copy....i mean peak at the suppossed new rules.
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I suppose you dont seem to get it.
I think I do, I just disagree.
40k tournaments were always meant for the most part to be casual
Yup, disagree.
If your ever in abington and want to schedual a casual game
But yes, I'd be happy to play you.
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Oh my. This thread.
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Hey guys,
Did I miss anything in this thread while I was working and at BG?
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Nope
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I'm going to lock this now.
If you guys feel like bringing up the original discussion, just make a new thread. This one is done.