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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: bradpowers on February 16, 2013, 01:45:28 PM

Title: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: bradpowers on February 16, 2013, 01:45:28 PM
Q:LandSpeederStorms,StormravenGunships and
StormtalonGunships are all listed as SpaceMarine vehicles
in the Reference section.Does this mean that every Space
MarineChapter now has access to these vehicles as well (i.e.
SpaceWolves,BloodAngels,GreyKnightsetc.)?(p411)

A: No–you may only select units and vehicles that are
available in the armylist section of your codex. The two
exceptions are the Stormtalon and Stormraven Gunships,
which are only available to armies chosen from Codex:
SpaceMarines and Codex: BlackTemplars. The rules for these
Flyers can be found in the Death From the Skies
compendium.

I grant you that this is a copy paste screwup, but for the time being, it would appear that BA and GK are screwed...  Thoughts?
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: GossWeapon on February 16, 2013, 02:36:10 PM
False, they already have the Stormraven printed in the book.  This post pertains only to those codexes that do not have it printed in their book (space wolves, DA, templars, vanillas, etc).  This is to cover/explain that not EVERYONE is getting the stormraven added in.  Just codex marines and templars get it added in now.  BA and GK are still able to use the stormraven as listed.

Rumors are that each codex has a unique missile and/or upgrade.  Blessed hull on a SR would be pretty nasty.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: bradpowers on February 16, 2013, 06:31:28 PM
It says clearly in the FAQ that storm ravens are an exception to what's in the army list.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Benjamin on February 16, 2013, 07:04:52 PM
This is way I'm reading it.

If you had access to Land Speeder Storms, Stormraven Gunships and Stormtalon Gunships in your codex, you still have access.

Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Black Templar now have access to these vehicles.

I don't know why they just don't say that.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: bradpowers on February 16, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
I agree that is likely what they intended, but I believe the way it is written currently, is that now,  in an exception to what is in all army books, the Stormraven (and etc.) are only available in C:SM and C:BT.  That said, I'm all for "Rules as Written, unless I think it's stupid" in this case  ;D
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Benjamin on February 16, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
Ignore the poorly-worded question and focus on this part.
"... you may only select units and vehicles that are available in the army list section of your codex."

I think what they mean, for example, is that Blood Angels and Grey Knights cannot use Storm Talons.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Grand Master Steve on February 17, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
wait does this mean Ultra Marines can take a Storm Raven?  :o
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Chase on February 17, 2013, 12:56:24 AM
wait does this mean Ultra Marines can take a Storm Raven?  :o

That's exactly what it means.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: PhoenixFire on February 17, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
It's pretty clear that they intend ba and gk to still have storm ravens since in their respective faqs they change "shadow skies" and "skies of blood" to something new
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 17, 2013, 01:55:19 PM
Wow. I can't believe this thread is serious.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Grand Master Steve on February 17, 2013, 02:19:54 PM
I now want to buy a Storm Raven for my Ultra Marines those things are nutts
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: GossWeapon on February 17, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
whats a storm raven?
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Grand Master Steve on February 17, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
whats a storm raven?

Dave please when grown ups are having a serious discussion dont troll them. You are not going to ever get an emotional responce from me so please stop trying.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: GossWeapon on February 17, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
I just did tommy
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: bradpowers on February 17, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Wow. I can't believe this thread is serious.

Heh.....  Yeah.


/sarcasm
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Mike_k on February 18, 2013, 05:31:08 PM
Wow. I can't believe this thread is serious.

For the amount of times you have misread or misquoted rules this is pretty pot meets kettle.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: GossWeapon on February 18, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
Wow. I can't believe this thread is serious.

For the amount of times you have misread or misquoted rules this is pretty pot meets kettle.

I like this guy ^
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 18, 2013, 06:34:23 PM
Wow. I can't believe this thread is serious.

For the amount of times you have misread or misquoted rules this is pretty pot meets kettle.

I'd like a few for instances on that.  Not that I've never gotten a rule wrong, but I think I beat the average by a mile. 
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Mike_k on February 18, 2013, 07:34:20 PM
Nope ill be ambiguous just like GWs rules writing because my intent was not to turn this into a Matt doesnt know his rules thread. Everyone knows you work hard to know the rules and take the time to read them.

It was more to poke fun at you for making a sarcastic remark about a rules question when you are often doing the same.
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 18, 2013, 07:48:04 PM
OK.  I'm not sure it was sarcastic.  I was really having a hard time believing someone thought that FAQ, as written, affected whether GK and BA still got the Stormraven. 

As usual, probably should have kept my mouth shut. 
Title: Re: No more Stormravens for BA or GK.... :(
Post by: GossWeapon on February 18, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
You need to live for Sosa more