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Title: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 01, 2014, 09:32:44 PM
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Battleground Games & Hobbies in ABINGTON MA



Format: Doubles (2v2) 1250 points per person (no allied detachments)
Date: January 25th, 2014 a Saturday
Time: Please be here no later than 9:15am. Set up at 9:45am. Dice roll no later than 10:00am.
Entrance Fee: $20.00 per person / $40.00 per team


Address:
1423 Bedford Street
Abington MA 02351
781.261.9669

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Battleground's Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Abington-MA/Battleground-Games-Hobbies/68808440618)         


Contact:
Please contact me at ChaseLaq@gmail.com to sign up if and only if you and your partner can commit to playing on January 25th.




RULES FOR WARHAMMER 40K TOURNAMENT

This event will be capped at 30 teams.

Rule Books:
The Warhammer 40,000 SIXTH Edition Rules will be used.

The following is a list of legal army choices:
Codex: Blood Angels
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Codex: Grey Knights
Codex: Dark Angels
Codex: Dark Eldar
Codex: Eldar
Codex: Imperial Guard
Codex: Necrons
Codex: Orks
Codex: Space Marines
Codex: Space Wolves
Codex: Tau Empire
Codex: Tyranids (NEW)
Codex: Adepta Sororitas
Coedx: Inquisition

All supplements and dataslates, digital and otherwise, released on or before January 11th, 2014 will be allowed in this event.  If you choose to use something from a digital supplement or dataslate you MUST provide the relevant pages to us upon submission of your army list.


MODELS AND POINTS:

1. Each player must bring an army consisting of 1250 points or fewer (1225 min), in accordance with these rules. Each team will consist of two players fighting together. 

Each player will use their own Force Org Chart for this event.  Allied detachments are NOT allowed.  Please keep in mind that even though each player has their own FoC that you are one TEAM for purposes of this event.

Selected units that alter a Team Member’s Force Organization selections WILL affect all other detachments on the Team from the same codex. For example, a Space Marines Master of the Forge allows all detachments using Codex Space Marines to take Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Ironclad Dreadnoughts as Heavy Support choices as well as Elites choices.

All instances of Special/Unique/Named Characters must be unique. For example: a Team cannot field Abaddon the Despoiler twice. This also applies to upgrades to squads (e.g., Boss Snikrot, Sergeant Telion, the Changeling).


2. All models must follow “What You See Is What You Get” (WYSIWYG). All weapons, war gear, and so forth must be represented on the model unless otherwise approved (see number 3).  Your models do not need to be painted but they do need to be FULLY assembled.

3. Pictures of conversions or "counts as" models must be emailed to the Tournament Organizer unless they have previously been approved.  There is an expectation that your conversions or "counts as" models are "hobby quality."  No "toys" will be allowed.

4. Allies of Convenience - For the purposes of this, team members are considered Allies of Convenience per the Warhammer 40,000 rule book with the following modifications:


5. Warlord Traits - Each team will nominate a single Warlord with the following modifications and clarifications:

6. Psychic Powers - At the start of each game, prior to deployment, players may choose to select the psychic powers listed in their Codex as normal OR swap them for a number of rolls on the psychic disciplines tables per the Warhammer 40,000 rule book. Unless stated otherwise, you MAY NOT mix and match Codex and rule book powers.

7. Forge World / Imperial Armour units AND ARMY LISTS bearing the "40k Approved" stamp **ARE** allowed in this Doubles event.

Players MUST have a hard copy of all Forge World / Imperial Armour rules if they wish to field corresponding units / lists.  NO EXCEPTIONS.

8. HQ units that require a certain point level to be fielded do not have to abide by that restriction.

9. We will require that each player submits his army list to a Battleground Tournament Organizer on or before Monday, January 20th (roughly a week before the event). We ask that players email their lists to ChaseLaq@gmail.com as soon as they are finalized. We will look at all of the lists but can not be expected to catch all errors.

10. If illegal units or other rules violations are found in a player’s army list, at a minimum, the models in violation will be removed from all subsequent play. In addition, tournament points may be deducted and/or award eligibility may be forfeited. If in doubt, please ask for clarification in advance from a Battleground Tournament Organizer.

11. Alternative Fortification rules out of Stronghold Assault will not be in play for this event.  Void Shield Generators are obviously allowed.

12. Restrictions:

       • This event will not use "Mysterious Terrain" (p.102-103).
       • This event will not use "Archotech Artefacts" (p 106).
       • This event will not use "Unique Terrain" (p. 107).
       • This event will not allow The Fortress of Redemption.
       • This event will treat all RANGED Str D weapons as Str 10 AP 1.   




HOW THE TOURNAMENT WORKS:

• Competitors will participate in three (3) games over the course of the day. In each game, you will play a scenario and record the outcome of the battle on your results sheet. Each round you will play a different opponent.

• Each round will last 3 hours. Players will have 15 minutes after the pairings have been posted to deploy their models before time for the round begins.  Players may begin playing as soon as they have finished deployment.

• In the first round, teams will be matched up randomly. After the first round, teams will be matched up according to current rankings in the tournament (based on the number of points they've scored) e.g., the team in first place will play the team in second place and so on. We will try our best not to pair teams that come to the event together or regularly play each other in the first round. If a team receives a BYE they will be awarded max points.

• You will not play the same team twice.

• We will do our best to prevent a team from playing on the same table twice.

• The pairings for each round will be posted as soon as they are determined. Please be sure to arrive at your table ready to play right away.

• Slow playing will NOT be tolerated.  Players are expected to complete at least 4 rounds.  If you suspect your opponent is slow playing PLEASE notify a Battleground staff member as soon as possible as we can not do anything about alleged slow play after the fact.

• Each game will be played on a 4' x 6' board.

•Players will receive Results Sheets at the beginning of each round. Each results sheet must be filled in properly to ensure that match-ups and point totals are correct. Once Results Sheets are completed they are to be turned in at the counter so the scores can be entered into the computer.




BATTLES:

The SIXTH Edition Rulebook and all FAQs will be in use for all games and will be the definitive guide for all rules. The time limit for each game is 3 hours. At the end of this time limit, the round will be called; players will need to finish the round as quickly as possible.


What You Need to Bring with You:
-Your (hopefully painted) miniatures
-At least THREE copies of your army list
-Rulebooks and any additional books you need
-Pen and paper
-Dice and templates
-Tape measure
-Something to transport your army from table to table



Store Credit Awards will be given out to:
Store credit is good for any product in the store and all subsequent events. It never expires and will be saved for you.

Best Generals
Second Best Generals
Third Best Generals
Fourth Best Generals (only awarded if the turnout is 26 teams or higher)

Best Appearance - Army (individual)
Second Best Appearance - Army (individual)
Third Best Appearance - Army (individual)

Players Choice - The Players Choice award will go to the team that the others feel best reflects important aspects of the hobby.  Every team will score their opponents on sportsmanship, theme, appearance, and overall awesomeness.  **This award will be significant.**

Smokin' Boots - You got crushed... and you deserve an award for your epic failure.


A team may only win one award. The Best Appearance awards may go to any one player participating in the event, regardless of their finish / other awards.


• A note on the Appearance award - We will award the individual who we feel has the best looking army. We will use a scoring rubric that looks at painting, basing, display boards, and various other "extras" to determine the winner.


Please post any questions or comments here.  I'll do my best to get answers ASAP.


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Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 02, 2014, 12:41:51 AM
oh man this is a tournament ide like to be in, any one want to team up?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 02, 2014, 12:43:20 AM
Why the hell would allow all the extra stuff from stronghold, but NOT use the extra rules from that book?  The extra rules are literally the best thing about that book. 

What compelling reason is there to allow people to take the Tau dataslate, or in fact any of the Formation dataslates?  Cypher's cool, that daemon prince guy is a little overpowered but fine and at least he's characterful, but there is really nothing redeemable about allowing people to take random selections of the best units from other codexes, WITH EXTRA SPECIAL RULES, for free. 

I'm glad you're nerfing Str D weapons to Str 10 AP 1.  That probably removes about 90% of the problems.  However, I think you will find that the void shields and AV 15 are almost as problematic.

And again: Why would you allow stuff from stronghold, but not the extra rules?

Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 02, 2014, 01:49:20 AM
I think the more apparent question is why go on a diatribe like that when you can simply not play in the event and be done with it. I imagine that is a more effective way to state one's dislike of the rules.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 02, 2014, 02:23:25 AM
Why the hell would allow all the extra stuff from stronghold, but NOT use the extra rules from that book?  The extra rules are literally the best thing about that book.

Because someone taking something that changes how the other persons stuff works "just because" isn't cool.  I'm not debating this.  Don't waste your time responding to it. 

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What compelling reason is there to allow people to take the Tau dataslate, or in fact any of the Formation dataslates?

Because they can and want to.

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Cypher's cool, that daemon prince guy is a little overpowered but fine and at least he's characterful, but there is really nothing redeemable about allowing people to take random selections of the best units from other codexes, WITH EXTRA SPECIAL RULES, for free.

Thanks for your opinion. 

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I'm glad you're nerfing Str D weapons to Str 10 AP 1.  That probably removes about 90% of the problems.

Cool.

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However, I think you will find that the void shields and AV 15 are almost as problematic.

I'm not worried about either of these things.

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And again: Why would you allow stuff from stronghold, but not the extra rules?

See above.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 02, 2014, 02:24:23 AM
I think the more apparent question is why go on a diatribe like that when you can simply not play in the event and be done with it. I imagine that is a more effective way to state one's dislike of the rules.

It is required that Matt tell me absolutely everything he doesn't like about every event I host.

Just par for the course.  Nothing new here.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: King of the Elves on January 02, 2014, 03:16:51 AM
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Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 02, 2014, 04:25:58 AM
Why the hell would allow all the extra stuff from stronghold, but NOT use the extra rules from that book?  The extra rules are literally the best thing about that book.

Because someone taking something that changes how the other persons stuff works "just because" isn't cool.  I'm not debating this.  Don't waste your time responding to it. 

I will too.  The "optional" rules from stronghold are really how the fortification rules (which are still often contradictory and just absent in certain cases) should have been written in the first place.  They really should have just been in an official FAQ, but I dunno, GW thought it was cool to charge for them instead, or something. 

It's also not at all as if these rules change the ways fortifications work in a way someone owning a fortification wouldn't want, so your rationale doesn't even make sense. 

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What compelling reason is there to allow people to take the Tau dataslate, or in fact any of the Formation dataslates?

Because they can and want to.

That's a horrible reason.  I want to take all my signature systems more than once, and have all my crisis suits be troops without using the farsight supplement.  So?  Should I be allowed to?  No, I should not. 

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However, I think you will find that the void shields and AV 15 are almost as problematic.

I'm not worried about either of these things.

I have asked like a 1,000 times, what do you base these opinions on?  You don't play, yourself.  Are you even aware how massively unclear the void shield rules are?  Like, literally no one even knows how to play them. 

Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Battleground on January 02, 2014, 10:21:14 AM
It's like a bad sitcom.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Typhus on January 02, 2014, 11:16:25 AM
-Hardcopy for FW units;

Actual book, or is a print out of the most updated rules ok too?

Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Cryptognomicon on January 02, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
Sounds like a fun event! 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: andalucien on January 02, 2014, 12:47:31 PM
Probably can't go to this one, but I sure hope y'all do more events just like it in the future.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Moosifer on January 02, 2014, 12:50:37 PM
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Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 02, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
-Hardcopy for FW units;

Actual book, or is a print out of the most updated rules ok too?

A print out of the most up to date rules are fine.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sam on January 02, 2014, 10:41:16 PM
The best way to debate Chase about an event is to open up a picture of him from Facebook, and just speak aloud. All the catharsis, just as productive, and you don't actually have to bother anyone!

If the rules for an event enrage you, just don't go. It certainly makes my life easier.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 02, 2014, 10:57:49 PM
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I will too.  The "optional" rules from stronghold are really how the fortification rules (which are still often contradictory and just absent in certain cases) should have been written in the first place.  They really should have just been in an official FAQ, but I dunno, GW thought it was cool to charge for them instead, or something. 

It's also not at all as if these rules change the ways fortifications work in a way someone owning a fortification wouldn't want, so your rationale doesn't even make sense.
Consistency is more important than whether or not players benefit from the change. You can't have core rules acting differently from table to table, player to player.

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I have asked like a 1,000 times, what do you base these opinions on?  You don't play, yourself.  Are you even aware how massively unclear the void shield rules are?  Like, literally no one even knows how to play them. 
For all you know, the event was going to open with an announcement of how to play them for the day...
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 02, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
The best way to debate Chase about an event is to open up a picture of him from Facebook, and just speak aloud. All the catharsis, just as productive, and you don't actually have to bother anyone!

If the rules for an event enrage you, just don't go. It certainly makes my life easier.

This
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 02, 2014, 11:48:42 PM
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I will too.  The "optional" rules from stronghold are really how the fortification rules (which are still often contradictory and just absent in certain cases) should have been written in the first place.  They really should have just been in an official FAQ, but I dunno, GW thought it was cool to charge for them instead, or something. 

It's also not at all as if these rules change the ways fortifications work in a way someone owning a fortification wouldn't want, so your rationale doesn't even make sense.
Consistency is more important than whether or not players benefit from the change. You can't have core rules acting differently from table to table, player to player.


Well, consistency is important.  But I'm saying the stronghold optional rules should be used all the time.  They're strictly superior.  The model/units, though, are kinda hit or miss.  Some are all right, some are broken nonsense. 

I don't see why that would lead to core rules being different from table to table.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Tharcil on January 02, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Unsure if we really need a 40k section on the forum. Really just need the Thursday night 40k thread and another one for Sir Prometheus to disagree with every event. Much simpler to moderate. This event looks like fun to me, even with some adjustments that I personally might have done differently, but really I'm just grateful for BG putting the time and effort into having them, to not nit pick and fuss.

 Little saturated between Templecon, the primer, 500 and this event so it shouldn't be hard to find an event out of these 4 in the next month of so to make anyone happy.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 03, 2014, 12:32:59 AM
Unsure if we really need a 40k section on the forum. Really just need the Thursday night 40k thread and another one for Sir Prometheus to disagree with every event.


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Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 03, 2014, 02:22:04 AM
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I will too.  The "optional" rules from stronghold are really how the fortification rules (which are still often contradictory and just absent in certain cases) should have been written in the first place.  They really should have just been in an official FAQ, but I dunno, GW thought it was cool to charge for them instead, or something. 

It's also not at all as if these rules change the ways fortifications work in a way someone owning a fortification wouldn't want, so your rationale doesn't even make sense.
Consistency is more important than whether or not players benefit from the change. You can't have core rules acting differently from table to table, player to player.


Well, consistency is important.  But I'm saying the stronghold optional rules should be used all the time.  They're strictly superior.  The model/units, though, are kinda hit or miss.  Some are all right, some are broken nonsense. 

I don't see why that would lead to core rules being different from table to table.
You don't think one table using the expansion rules for their fortifications and one person using the standard rules doesn't pose a problem?

Unlike my club, Battleground has the unenviable task of needing to be a business success as well as a social one. So I think they made the best call they could as a retail hosted event -- include the new stuff as best they can and try to keep a consistent ruleset in the process. If you don't have a retail interest in promoting the games you can just ban the expansion books, and if you don't, you include them in a capacity intended to keep things at least within a degree of consistency with your existing event standards.

There are more things to worry about then just how big of a jerk someone could potentially be with their lists.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 03, 2014, 03:35:21 AM
wait, technically don't these rules let me field a Thunderhawk?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 04:19:43 AM
wait, technically don't these rules let me field a Thunderhawk?

Yes.

If you take Str D ranged weapons they will be treated as Str 10 AP 1 though.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Benjamin on January 03, 2014, 07:56:37 AM
For all you know, the event was going to open with an announcement of how to play them for the day...
If there's a rules question/interpretation, it should be sorted out before players are required to submit their lists. It would be professional.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 03, 2014, 09:49:32 AM
wait, technically don't these rules let me field a Thunderhawk?

Yes.

If you take Str D ranged weapons they will be treated as Str 10 AP 1 though.

Is it possible to also give them Ignores Cover? I feel like at just S10 Ap1, D-shooting doesn't do much.

Also, should we put together a separate thread with some questions about Void Shield generators? I have 2-3 myself and it would be good to know ahead of time how it will be played.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Typhus on January 03, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
wait, technically don't these rules let me field a Thunderhawk?

Yes.

If you take Str D ranged weapons they will be treated as Str 10 AP 1 though.

Wait, I'm confused.  Is Escalation allowed?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: PhoenixFire on January 03, 2014, 10:28:09 AM
wait, technically don't these rules let me field a Thunderhawk?

Yes.

If you take Str D ranged weapons they will be treated as Str 10 AP 1 though.

Wait, I'm confused.  Is Escalation allowed?

yes escalation is in but anything that is STR D has been nerfed to STR10 AP1 which means STR D also loses the "ignores all save" rule which is basically what makes the D the D.


as far as this...

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11. Alternative Fortification rules out of Stronghold Assault will not be in play for this event.  Void Shield Generators are obviously allowed.

i'm taking that to mean you can use the new buildings out of stronghold assault but cant use the modified rules on the existing buildings

aka starting a flyer on the skyshield pad turn 1 or giving a bastion void shields and such

as far as new buildings i know they don't yet have a model for void shield generators but it seems most people are using these with the guns taken off

(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3320284a_99120199029_VengeanceWeaponsBattery01_445x319.jpg)

meets the criteria of a small building with battlements, i bet at least one of the Battlegrounds has some in stock right.... meow!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Typhus on January 03, 2014, 10:45:47 AM
Ok...so.

Escalation is in.  FW with 40k Stamp Approved is in.  This mean we can use the FW Lords of War update?

"With the publication of Warhammer 40,000: Escalation, players now have the option of taking Lords of War choices in their armies. The following is a list of Forge World models that should be considered Lords of War choices and may therefore be taken using the guidelines detailed in Warhammer 40,000: Escalation, along with the publication in which the model’s most up to date rules can be found."

www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: shwnlyns on January 03, 2014, 11:34:23 AM
Important note, it says ranged str D will be treated as str 10 so 1, I assume melee str D remains unchanged. Hello Chaos Lord of Skulls.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: jhobin on January 03, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
I think this cool, and might give me the motivation to finish my baneblade! (and get the dust off of it!)
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 03, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
You don't think one table using the expansion rules for their fortifications and one person using the standard rules doesn't pose a problem?

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Why would one table use the new rules and the other wouldn't?  No, everyone would use the new rules.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: andalucien on January 03, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
I agree that the new fortification rules are way better, but due to the extremely lame way GW introduced these rules (which any other company would have issued as free errata), I can see the case for not adopting them for a tournament.  Especially a casual one.  Half the people won't have purchased or read Stronghold Assault so they'll show up and the new rules will be "news" to them.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 03:53:32 PM
I agree that the new fortification rules are way better, but due to the extremely lame way GW introduced these rules (which any other company would have issued as free errata), I can see the case for not adopting them for a tournament.  Especially a casual one.  Half the people won't have purchased or read Stronghold Assault so they'll show up and the new rules will be "news" to them.

exactly.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 03:56:07 PM

Is it possible to also give them Ignores Cover? I feel like at just S10 Ap1, D-shooting doesn't do much.

It was discussed and we decided not to allow them to ignore cover for this event.  I realize this makes Str D less than desireable in most cases.

It is important to note that only RANGED Str D weapons are nerfed to Str 10 AP 1 for this event.  Yes, that means you can zerg up the Revenant and stomp as normal.

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Also, should we put together a separate thread with some questions about Void Shield generators? I have 2-3 myself and it would be good to know ahead of time how it will be played.

Please do.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
Wait, I'm confused.  Is Escalation allowed?

Yup.  Lords of War are in, so long as they are "40k approved."  Feel free to bring any FW units that meet this criteria, so long as you can build a legal 1250 list around them.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 04:01:36 PM
yes escalation is in but anything that is STR D has been nerfed to STR10 AP1 which means STR D also loses the "ignores all save" rule which is basically what makes the D the D.

Yup, but remember, only RANGED Str D weapons are nerfed.


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11. Alternative Fortification rules out of Stronghold Assault will not be in play for this event.  Void Shield Generators are obviously allowed.

i'm taking that to mean you can use the new buildings out of stronghold assault but cant use the modified rules on the existing buildings

aka starting a flyer on the skyshield pad turn 1 or giving a bastion void shields and such

Yup.

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as far as new buildings i know they don't yet have a model for void shield generators but it seems most people are using these with the guns taken off

(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3320284a_99120199029_VengeanceWeaponsBattery01_445x319.jpg)

meets the criteria of a small building with battlements, i bet at least one of the Battlegrounds has some in stock right.... meow!

Those will work perfectly.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 04:02:15 PM
Escalation is in.  FW with 40k Stamp Approved is in.  This mean we can use the FW Lords of War update?

www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

Yes.  :)
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 03, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Important note, it says ranged str D will be treated as str 10 so 1, I assume melee str D remains unchanged.

Yes.  A very important note.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 03, 2014, 05:11:48 PM
wow im torn on what army to use. I mean I can use my Thunderhawk!!  ;D  ;D  ;D Granted that sucker will eat all my points but it needs the dust cleaned off
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: andalucien on January 03, 2014, 05:19:42 PM
Grrr.... this woulda been perfect chance for me to run my Zarykynel, oh well hopefully we'll do it again.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 13, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
Anyone want to partner with Necrons for this?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 13, 2014, 09:05:08 PM
I have yet to hear from any one Ron so I may
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 14, 2014, 07:55:45 AM
Sounds good.  Have you decided on the Thunderhawk?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 14, 2014, 01:48:09 PM
lol i havent when i got a partner i was going to discuss :-p
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 14, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
Remember, you've got to shoot me an email to register.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 14, 2014, 03:50:08 PM
yes chase i know i just havent finalized who im teaming with, Ron if you are PM me or drop me a line on FB
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 14, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Steve I just sent you a PM, let me know if you got it.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 14, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Since I don't have the Escalation Book, and the new Apocalypse book is Mum on it.  Does Haywire affect Super Heavies with the new Apocalypse rules?  I'm inclined to think so since it does not permanently reduce it's armor rating, but like the Lance rule, sort of bypasses it.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 14, 2014, 08:47:01 PM
I just looked at the Apocalypse Book again and RAW it should work.
So, never mind my last question   :o
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 14, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
ill be coming....with the Thunderhawk  8)
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 15, 2014, 08:07:20 AM
A Thunderhawk full of Necrons...WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW!!!!!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Battleground on January 15, 2014, 12:57:25 PM
A Thunderhawk full of Necrons...WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW!!!!!

LOL! So good.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: IG Dan on January 16, 2014, 12:01:59 AM
A Thunderhawk full of Necrons...WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW!!!!!

Guiding my fire to free the tortured machine spirit of so noble a creation from the Xenos abomination that have overtaken and corrupted it! For the Emperor!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: cryptoron on January 16, 2014, 08:15:24 PM
Tortured? Corrupted?  How about FREE TO BE FABULOUS!
It was last heard saying "Don't Hate me, I was born this way!"
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Guiding my fire to free the tortured machine spirit of so noble a creation from the Xenos abomination that have overtaken and corrupted it! For the Emperor!
/quote]

Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 16, 2014, 10:55:25 PM
Is there a list of teams already signed up so I know if I haven't emailed you yet?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 17, 2014, 03:16:49 AM
You have not yet emailed me, Rob.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 17, 2014, 04:40:34 PM
i love rons new sig
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: chrisocasio on January 21, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
Hello everyone, I know I'm coming late to the matchmaking party but would anyone happen to be looking for a teammate? I have a ton of IG, to include a Baneblade, and would love to play in the event! You can reach me via email or find me on Facebook as I also posted on the store page about this. Thanks!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 21, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
Let's get this dude a partner!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: IG Dan on January 25, 2014, 11:07:34 PM
Thank you for running a great event. I had a lot of fun, great games with a lot of variety and great opponents. :D
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: chrisocasio on January 25, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
Awesome event guys, great thanks to everyone I played with today!!! Loved the people and the armies.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 25, 2014, 11:26:43 PM
it was indeed very fun!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: PhoenixFire on January 26, 2014, 03:27:51 PM
What were the results on this? who won the day and did anyone actually bring any superheavies?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 26, 2014, 03:34:52 PM
Turnout wasn't an all time high.

Most teams (all teams?) brought at least 1 superheavy.

I don't have results.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: chrisocasio on January 26, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
The winners had a Nid/Necron list with some kind of god machine for the necrons. They also brought a void shield generator.

Another team was IG/CSM with a Warhound titan and a Baneblade.

IG/SoB without any superheavies.

SM/Necrons with a thunderhawk.

IG/IG without any superheavies.

and then there was my adhoc IG/DA list without a superheavy (left the baneblade home as I didnt have a good way to travel with it)
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 26, 2014, 04:16:24 PM
6 Teams, Half did not bring any super heavies that I know for sure.  The Super Heavies Present: Thunderhawk, Baneblade, Warhound Titan, Necron Vault Thing with a C'Tan in the middle. I know myself and Ron placed 4th.

I really dont care about a low turn out, since it was very fun, but shame on Abington Regulars that asked for a tournament like this and did not come! Derrek said I was the only regular that asked for an Abington tournament that showed up.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Goblin on January 27, 2014, 01:09:18 AM
i'm the dude who played the nids, we did not in fact win. we lost our final round in a really tight one (if the game had ended on t5 we would have had the tie) to the team with the two super heavies.

i have to say though, i had a blast at this event and would love to see more events allowing the escalation units. my harridan is on the way!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 27, 2014, 03:30:48 AM
I'm very glad to hear that despite the small turnout, everyone had a good time.  If you read any given post on these boards, you'll probably get the idea that it's not possible to enjoy 40k.

It's refreshing.  And motivating.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 27, 2014, 10:35:06 AM
As I am fond of saying up north, "The game is only as good as the players playing it."
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Benjamin on January 27, 2014, 07:07:26 PM
As I am fond of saying up north, "The game is only as good as the players playing it."
Then why do I value games differently? My friends and I are same people when I play, so according that statement, all games should be equal. They're clearly not equal.

How about instead saying the game has changed, and not all change is good for everyone. There's no need for a blanket statement to make players feel like they're to blame for not enjoying a game.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 27, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
As I am fond of saying up north, "The game is only as good as the players playing it."
Then why do I value games differently? My friends and I are same people when I play, so according that statement, all games should be equal. They're clearly not equal.

How about instead saying the game has changed, and not all change is good for everyone. There's no need for a blanket statement to make players feel like they're to blame for not enjoying a game.

^this
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 27, 2014, 08:24:30 PM
I prefer to think "The game is only as fun as the people playing it." If you're not having fun, then why play?

This event was a lot of fun, I hope the vocal minority on this forum don't keep the folks at BG from hosting more where things for every currently legal supplement are allowed.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Benjamin on January 27, 2014, 08:49:56 PM
This event was a lot of fun, I hope the vocal minority on this forum don't keep the folks at BG from hosting more where things for every currently legal supplement are allowed.
Present attendance, not vocal minorities, drives future events.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 27, 2014, 10:45:28 PM
Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

For the record, at some point, I decided to shut up about this particular tournament, but I hope we're not establishing a precedent that doubles are automatically "allow all the crazy" events. I have two friends, that really only play 40k anymore for these doubles and triples events. We really had no interest in playing with superheavies, and thus it feels like we really missed out on what would otherwise be a good chance to play. That sucked.

I mean if you have to have "crazy 40k" events, that's fine, but they can be singles events, too. I'd like a doubles or triples event that was "normal 40k" too, please.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 27, 2014, 11:33:01 PM
There will be 1v1 and 2v2 events throughout the year that allow superheavies.

There will be at least one event that allows everything.


Unless the competitive scene adopts them, they will not be included in all of our events.

I think you can expect to see them at most of the stuff Abington hosts though.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 27, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 28, 2014, 12:02:00 AM
Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.

Dude, on the internet, it's much harder to tell you're cracking a joke, and you better be fucking cracking a joke. 

There will be 1v1 and 2v2 events throughout the year that allow superheavies.

There will be at least one event that allows everything.


Unless the competitive scene adopts them, they will not be included in all of our events.

I think you can expect to see them at most of the stuff Abington hosts though.

OK, but what I am not hearing is that there will be doubles tournaments that DO NOT allow super-heavies.  Please tell me that their will be doubles events that do not allow superheavies.

And as to most abington events allowing superheavies.......OK, but I think that has a lot to do with why you only saw 6 teams.   Last doubles even at abington I think had 12+ teams, at least. 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 28, 2014, 12:09:11 AM
Rob, I don't think it's a "vocal minority" that doesn't want escalation, I think it's the vast majority. Regardless saying things like:

every currently legal supplement are allowed.

Is just a way to say "my way is legitimate, your way isn't" and that's obnoxious, so don't.

My way is legitimate, your way isn't.

Dude, on the internet, it's much harder to tell you're cracking a joke, and you better be fucking cracking a joke. 


Why should I be joking?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 28, 2014, 12:24:34 AM
I definitely won't pretend to say that the superheavies turned people away.  It certainly did.  I think I'm okay with that though.  Like I've said before, I'm not going to try to appeal to every player with every event.  We had some Abington regulars / casuals come out for this one that either haven't played in an event or haven't played in a really long time.  Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves.  Such a small turnout requires a minimal amount of prep and bookkeeping before and during and it also takes up a tiny amount of space.  It's not like the whole store was taken over, which is a non-obvious and very important thing to consider.

Not every doubles event will allow superheavies.



I think I've mentioned this before, but it may have been a little cryptic.  Battleground will run the following events:

GT "Primers" that use whatever rules (or as close to them as we feel is reasonable) the GT is using.

Other events that cater to the perceived wants / needs of the community.  (The vocal few do have an influence here.)

New ideas like this Attacker Defender thing coming up.



The days of dry, everything allowed "1850 Singles" and "1000ppp Doubles" every month died the second GW felt the need to put out a billion supplements that 1) We can't sell.  2) Not everyone has easy access to.  3) Are too much work to stay up on.  4) Lots of people dislike.  5) May or may not distort the game in a major way.

I'd imagine as time goes on BG will end up with what it likes as a "standard" event again.  At this time I can't speak to whether or not it'll incorporate things like 2+ (or ++?) rerollable saves, digital everything, superheavies in any capacity, void shields, etc. etc.

I feel like it's both good and bad for players and event attendance will usually tell us what people like or dislike.  That's the way it should be.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 28, 2014, 01:12:56 AM
Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

Not every doubles event will allow superheavies.

OK.  That's all I really want. 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 28, 2014, 01:22:40 AM
Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

I love seeing how you react to other people throwing your shit right back at you. Its the main reason I still check the forums.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 28, 2014, 01:53:19 AM
Why should I be joking?

STFU.  Seriously. 

I love seeing how you react to other people throwing your shit right back at you. Its the main reason I still check the forums.

That really isn't helping
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sam Butler on January 28, 2014, 11:49:19 AM




STFU.  Seriously. 


That really isn't helping


nor are comments like ""STFU seriously" 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 28, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

I think perhaps you lot don't really realize how good you have it. The store management regularly addresses your concerns no matter how whimsical they may be, and they also continue to allow your presence despite the derision shown here (and in person, sometimes). But you lot should think of the store a bit more. Not doing your part to make the events good (and that doesn't just mean "better for you") will hurt the place you play directly. A dangerous game to play in this day and age.

All arguments like this do is make the store crowd look bad, and the stores by extension. If you want store events to thrive, these threads need to appear positive. If any of my people read this thread their impression becomes "Wow that's the kind of dudes who game at Battleground" and they may never set foot in the store's events as a result.

Respect your store. You guys don't know how lucky you are to even HAVE stores that actually support the game.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 28, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

Just about every thread in the last... 2 or 3 months probably hurts us assuming the reader is not familiar with the people participating or the store.

Unfortunate, really.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Tharcil on January 28, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
Man, folks. Sam is right, you're not exactly going to help BG put on better events with this sort of talk. In fact, you're probably hurting them. 

Just about every thread in the last... 2 or 3 months probably hurts us assuming the reader is not familiar with the people participating or the store.

Unfortunate, really.

It hurts even if you are familiar.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 28, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Well, anything that hurts Warhammer 40k hurts Evil Dice, too, so if you're wondering what side I'm on, wonder no further.

Every one of those posts (and anything in person, too) gets around...but people are hyperbolic. So right now it looks like "All BG players are like that" (NOT true) and then it turns into "All tourney players are like that" (also NOT true)... before long it is "All 40k players are like that" and then how long before all the 40k tables get sawed in half for more profitable games, with more agreeable players that don't require the stores to break the bank to carry their preferred merchandise, or store hundreds of square feet of terrain?

If people can't respect each other, they should at least respect the store. And the work its' people do for them.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: andalucien on January 28, 2014, 03:26:23 PM
It's definitely true that threads have gotten more negative recently.   My explanation for this is that GW have come out with a different type of product recently that displeases many of their core customers, and that said customers have been using the forums as like a "support group".   Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grimwulfe on January 28, 2014, 03:31:08 PM
Shark Week.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 28, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?

People that feel the need to relentlessly complain and argue about absolutely everything.

Literally every. single. thing.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grimwulfe on January 28, 2014, 03:36:51 PM
Chase that is so untrue I mean wth.....  OK Im kidding MUHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 28, 2014, 03:37:36 PM
Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?

Sir_Prometheus has more free time.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 28, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
Hey, guys?  Rob literally said, "My way is legitimate, your way isn't.".  It wasn't funny, and he declined several chances to indicate he was joking.  I think that's worth swearing at him over.  And now you want to spend several pages talking about what a jerkhole I am?

Negativity has increased because dramatic changes have come that a lot of people, quite possibly a majority, really hate.  The sizable chunk of people who like the changes are really pissed that the other people aren't accepting all the changes.

GW has introduced like 5 "semi-optional" addendums to the game (indeed, how optional they are is part of the arguing) and that has destroyed all consensus in how the game should be played.  In fact, it has driven people accept throwing off the "RAW" mantra changing rules that most of us hated, yet nonetheless decided just to "deal with", such as 2++ rerollables. 

Of course we're going to fight.  It's hard for everybody to get their way and no matter how it settles out <50% are going to be happy. 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 28, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
Hey, guys?  Rob literally said, "My way is legitimate, your way isn't.".  It wasn't funny, and he declined several chances to indicate he was joking.  I think that's worth swearing at him over.  And now you want to spend several pages talking about what a jerkhole I am?

I would prefer a subforum.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: andalucien on January 28, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
Wishing I hadn't posted... haha
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on January 28, 2014, 03:49:11 PM
Hey, guys?  Rob literally said, "My way is legitimate, your way isn't.".  It wasn't funny, and he declined several chances to indicate he was joking.  I think that's worth swearing at him over.  And now you want to spend several pages talking about what a jerkhole I am?

I would prefer a subforum.

Hey Ian?  You get a nice, big, "STFU" too.  You are part of the problem. 
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Ian Mulligan on January 28, 2014, 03:50:14 PM
This would be a great thread for that subforum.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Tharcil on January 28, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
So the doubles event...that was a thing that this thread was about.  Now it should be about behavior that gets one banned from the forums?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 28, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
So the doubles event...that was a thing that this thread was about.  Now it should be about behavior that gets one banned from the forums?

Every thread degenerates these days.  It's inevitable.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 28, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
I'd split it out to another thread, at this point, but regardless. The negativity is something that should be addressed and this thread about that event is a prime example of what it is in reference to.

Hey, guys?  Rob literally said, "My way is legitimate, your way isn't.".  It wasn't funny, and he declined several chances to indicate he was joking.  I think that's worth swearing at him over.  And now you want to spend several pages talking about what a jerkhole I am?
NOTHING is worth swearing at people over. This is a store's website, not yours.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Cryptognomicon on January 28, 2014, 04:35:29 PM
Any other theories about why negativity has increased recently?

People that feel the need to relentlessly complain and argue about absolutely everything.

Literally every. single. thing.

I agree with Chase 100%.  Its not the new rules that make forums so negative lately - it is certain people's reactions to the new rules and the fact that a  very vocal minority keep bringing up the same complaints over and over again. Yes - we know that some of you guys don't like GW's version of 40k anymore. We get that.  But complaining about it in every single thread is not going to change anything. And yes there ARE some people who DO like the changes. 

BG is doing a great job with creating events for everyone. We had the GT primer last week, superheavy doubles this week, The Attacker/Defender is coming up.  Lots of fun stuff for everyone.  If there is an event that you don't like then please just skip it and go to the next one. Don't troll the forums and bitch and moan again and again about the same stuff. 


@Chase - are there rules about staying on topic on these threads?
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 28, 2014, 04:42:07 PM
No rules.

I don't want to have to write rules about that sort of stuff.  People would just pick them apart anyways.  :)

I'm okay with people posting their opinions and threads going off topic.  When it happens with a strong degree of consistency it sucks, but it'll pass.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: IG Dan on January 28, 2014, 05:01:32 PM
Chase, look on the bright side, as far as I know, low turn out be damned, everyone that actually came and played had fun and would play in a similar tournament again. And I know that we lost one, I think two, teams the night before and another player to another event and another to work.

The only minor criticism I would have to the event was that with the lower turn out, the tables could have been spread out a little differently to allow easier model storage. And that is really in no way a big deal or issue.

I get some of the hate, hell, I  think GW does some pretty stupid stuff too, especially marketing practices. But at the same time, I don't get some of the serious bickering that goes on in certain threads. Stuff about new supplements and rules, ok, I get it, there can and probably should be some discussion there, that's what a forum is for.
But in the event threads, the point has already been made elsewhere, the event host has made the decisions, if you can live with it, play, if you can't, don't show up.

As an additional note, these arguments over everything do drive potential players away. How do I know, because I'm one of them. I tried this event because I was told the last doubles event was fun, so I gave it a shot. And I'm glad I did, I had a great day. But seeing page after page of back and forth poo flinging does make more casual players like myself assume, fairly or not, that an event is going to be a verbal and visual version of the threads.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: King of the Elves on January 28, 2014, 05:02:56 PM
Hey, guys?  Rob literally said, "My way is legitimate, your way isn't.".  It wasn't funny, and he declined several chances to indicate he was joking.  I think that's worth swearing at him over.  And now you want to spend several pages talking about what a jerkhole I am?

I would prefer a subforum.

Hey Ian?  You get a nice, big, "STFU" too.  You are part of the problem. 

 Actually bro, you ARE the problem. Ian has helped create a wildly successful WM/H community, and everyone (for the most part) on the forums and in the community loves him, so if anything, maybe you could take a page out of Ian's book, and learn from him.

 Instead of telling people to "STFU" maybe you could better the 40K community by being nicer to folks, and idk, maybe accepting new rules and ideas once and a while? Weird thought, I know. Then maybe... JUST maybe, people will take your opinions a little more seriously. Because right now, your like the crying kid on the airplane that everyone just wants to shut up. Your a nice guy in person, but sometimes it's best to just keep your opinions to yourself, especially on the internet.

 In general, I see more drama on this forum then I do anywhere else. And I go to high school with 16 year old females. 

   
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Nick Hough on January 28, 2014, 05:52:51 PM
I hate armor, and I hate Nick Hough.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Bill on January 28, 2014, 09:45:04 PM
So out of genuine interest, how did this turn out and was there super heavies...uh superheavying?I looked for results and found, yeah.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: chrisocasio on January 29, 2014, 12:01:50 AM
Didn't bring any superheavies or fortifications of my own. My main plan was to play around them, but tbh that really didn't work well as even without str d shooting the huge pie plates of death that they can throw out as well as the many other weapons they can fire often were able to pummel my guys to death. That being said it was my first tourney and I was not running a list tailored to killing superheavies. If I did it again I'd bring my bane blade and or run more vendettas.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: King of the Elves on January 29, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
I hate armor, and I hate Nick Hough.

THE KING HAS SPOKEN!!
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: robpro on January 29, 2014, 12:33:20 AM
So out of genuine interest, how did this turn out and was there super heavies...uh superheavying?I looked for results and found, yeah.

Last time I posted I had fun at the tournament in this thread, it sort of exploded.

There were 11 players in 6 teams (1 was 1 person). Seemed like everybody had fun and I think almost everybody got something the way the prizes were structured.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Grand Master Steve on January 29, 2014, 12:51:54 AM
I am just amused. If I had more days off ide join in on the WM/H group that is full of people that dont whine and complain over every little thing. Hell im willing to spend a good deal of my hard earned money to make that group a working Lionel Steam locomotive for terrain and maybe special games. Why? Because they are respectful and dont argue and complain on the forums in every damn thread.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: AstartesXXVI on January 29, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
I don't think telling everyone how much they suck is going to go very far toward rectifying that problem.
Title: Re: [Abington MA] Warhammer 40k DOUBLES Event - 1/25/14
Post by: Chase on January 29, 2014, 06:21:54 PM
I don't think telling everyone how much they suck is going to go very far toward rectifying that problem.

I lol'd.  :)