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Title: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
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This event will feature the Swedish Army Komp Rules with slight modifications for Imperial Knights. One Knight will cost you 1 komp point. Taking a second Knight will not be allowed in this event.

Format: Singles (1v1) 1850 points per person
Date: March 22nd, 2014 a Saturday
Time: Dice roll at 10:00am.
Entrance Fee: $20.00

Please note the earlier start time.

Address:
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Plainville MA 02762
508.316.1195

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This event will be capped at 32 players.

To register for this event you please email ChaseLaq@gmail.com

RULES FOR WARHAMMER 40K TOURNAMENT

Rule Books:
The Warhammer 40,000 SIXTH Edition Rules will be used.

The following is a list of legal army choices:
Codex: Blood Angels
Codex: Chaos Daemons
Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Codex: Grey Knights
Codex: Dark Angels
Codex: Dark Eldar
Codex: Eldar
Codex: Imperial Guard
Codex: Necrons
Codex: Orks
Codex: Space Marines
Codex: Space Wolves
Codex: Tau Empire
Codex: Tyranids
Codex: Adepta Sororitas
Codex: Inquisition

Other digital and hard backed supplements that are not found under the restrictions (see below) will be allowed.

MODELS AND POINTS:

1. Each player must bring an army consisting of 1850 points or fewer, in accordance with these rules...

• This event will be using the "Threshold" method for constructing lists. (http://www.emphy.com/dino/LBKcompDoc.pdf) A player's list MAY NOT exceed 3 (three) Komp points.

• To score your list start with 0 (zero) Komp, then add any penalties that are mentioned under your army's heading; add up all the penalties to get your Komp score. Please do not forget to factor in your allies.

• At the end of each game in the event, if one player has a higher Komp score than another, that player will subtract the difference from his/hers points earned in the game and the opposing player will get to add the same number to his points earned in the game.

2. All models should follow “What You See Is What You Get” (WYSIWYG). All weapons, war gear, and so forth should be represented on the model. Your models must be FULLY ASSEMBLED.

3. Pictures of conversions or "counts as" models must be emailed to ChaseLaq@gmail.com unless they have previously been approved.

4. Warlord Traits - At the start of each game, before deployment, select two tables. Roll a die for each table. Choose ONE of the two results as your Warlord Trait for that game.

5. Psychic Powers - At the start of each game, prior to deployment, players may choose to select the psychic powers listed in their Codex as normal OR swap them for a number of rolls on the psychic disciplines tables per the Warhammer 40,000 rule book. Unless stated otherwise, you MAY NOT mix and match Codex and rule book powers.

6. Forge World Imperial Armor units (and army lists) ARE allowed in this event. Players may also use FW models where appropriate.

7. We will require that each participant submits an itemized army list to a Battleground Tournament Organizer on or before Monday, March 17th (roughly a week before the event). An Army Builder .pdf is preferred but a detailed text file (.txt) is acceptable. PLEASE include the number of points each upgrade and unit costs on your list.

Please email lists to ChaseLaq@gmail.com as soon as they are finalized.

8. If illegal units or other rules violations are found in a player’s army list, at a minimum, the models in violation will be removed from all subsequent play. In addition, tournament points may be deducted and/or award eligibility may be forfeited. If in doubt, please ask for clarification in advance from a Battleground Tournament Organizer.

9. Restrictions:
• This event will not use "Mysterious Objectives"
• This event will not use "Mysterious Terrain" (p.102-103).
• This event will not use "Archotech Artefacts" (p 106).
• This event will not use "Unique Terrain" (p. 107).
• This event will not allow Escalation
• This event will not allow Stronghold Assault

HOW THE TOURNAMENT WORKS:

• Competitors will participate in three (3) games over the course of the day. In each game, you will play a scenario and record the outcome of the battle on your results sheet. Each round you will play a different opponent. Each round will last 2.5 hours. There will be no additional time given for deployment. Players are not expected to start another game turn if there are fewer than 5 minutes left in the round (as per scenario packet).

• In the first round, players will be matched up randomly. After the first round, players will be matched up according to current rankings in the tournament (based on the number of points they've scored) e.g., the player in first place will play the player in second place and so on. We will try our best not to pair players that come to the event together or regularly play each other in the first round. If a player receives a BYE they will be awarded either maximum or the average of the winning players points for the round, depending on turn out.

• Ties will be broken by Komp score, then Primary Objective Points, then Secondary Objective Points, etc.

• You will not play the same person twice.

• We will do our best to prevent a player from playing on the same table twice.

• The pairings for each round will be announced as soon as they are determined. Please be sure to arrive at your table ready to play right away.

• Slow playing will NOT be tolerated. Players are expected to complete at least 4 rounds in each game. If you suspect your opponent is slow playing PLEASE notify a Battleground staff member as soon as possible as we can not do anything about alleged slow play after the fact.

• Each game will be played on a 4' x 6' board.

• Players will receive Results Sheets and Player's Choice Sheets for each round at the beginning of the event. Each results sheet must be filled in properly to ensure that match-ups and point totals are correct. Once the sheets are completed they are to be turned in at the counter so the scores can be entered into the computer.

BATTLES:

Scenarios will be announced at the event.

The SIXTH Edition Rulebook and FAQ will be in use for all games and will be the definitive guide for all rules. The time limit for each game is 2.5 hours. At the end of this time limit, the round will be called; players will need to finish the round as quickly as possible.

What You Need to Bring with You:
-Your (hopefully painted) miniatures
-At least TWO copies of your army list
-Rulebooks are required as are any additional books you need
-Pen and paper
-Dice and templates
-Tape measure
-Something to transport your army from table to table

STORE CREDIT AWARDS WILL BE GIVEN OUT TO:
Store credit is good for any product in the store but it is NO LONGER good for subsequent events. It never expires and will be saved for you.

Best General
Second Best General
Third Best General

Best Appearance - Army (individual) [Note: Players MUST DISPLAY ALL of the models that are present on their army list. Players may not omit models or display models that are not part of the list they are playing in the event. If a player is found breaking this rule, he will forfeit his chance at this award.]

Players Choice - The Players Choice award will go to the player that the others feel best reflects important aspects of the hobby. Every team will score their opponents on sportsmanship, theme, appearance, and overall awesomeness. **This award will be significant.**

Smokin' Boots - You got crushed... and you deserve an award for your epic failure.

A player may only win one award with the exception of Best Appearance, which may go to any player participating in the event, regardless of their finish / other awards.

• A note on the Appearance award - We will award the individual who we feel has the best looking army. We will use a scoring rubric that looks at painting, basing, display boards, and various other "extras" to determine the winner. Here is a link to the rubric we will use. (http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/13393795/img/13393795.jpg)

(http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/11978579/img/11978579.jpg) (http://picturepush.com/public/11978579)
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: chrisocasio on February 20, 2014, 12:44:17 AM: Chase,

Just so you are aware the Komp rules you posted state that they do not cover imperial armor units and lists. Will you be handling those lists in re: to Komp points on a case by case basis?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 20, 2014, 12:55:34 AM: Yeah, I suppose I will.

Email me if you have any questions re: IA stuff. I don't expect there to be many issues, however.

I'm hoping people get the idea.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on February 20, 2014, 09:49:16 AM: Just to verify: does this mean VPs for determining who wins the game or tournament points for overall standing?

"At the end of each game in the event, if one player has a higher Komp score than another, that player will subtract the difference from his/hers points earned in the game and the player will get to add the same number to his points earned in the game."
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on February 20, 2014, 10:20:47 AM: Why allow Imperial Knights, which use rules in Escalation, but disallow escalation?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chris on February 20, 2014, 10:23:02 AM: Quote from: Chase on February 19, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
STORE CREDIT AWARDS WILL BE GIVEN OUT TO:
Store credit is good for any product in the store and all subsequent events. It never expires and will be saved for you.

Might want to fix this Chase.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: andalucien on February 20, 2014, 11:24:02 AM: Wowow... unfortunately I suck and can't come to this, but this kind of stuff might make me come out of 40k retirement one of these days.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on February 20, 2014, 11:56:34 AM: Quote from: Bill on February 20, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
Just to verify: does this mean VPs for determining who wins the game or tournament points for overall standing?

"At the end of each game in the event, if one player has a higher Komp score than another, that player will subtract the difference from his/hers points earned in the game and the player will get to add the same number to his points earned in the game."

It should be added/subtracted before determining who wins the game(or the objective). This works best with a 20-0 scoring system.

I am excited and might actually play some 40k!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 20, 2014, 02:08:55 PM: Quote from: Bill on February 20, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
Just to verify: does this mean VPs for determining who wins the game or tournament points for overall standing?

Both, I guess. Each game is really just there to allow players to score points towards winning the event. Komp will have a direct impact on that.

If you score 15 points in our match and I score 5 but you have a Komp score of 3 and I have a Komp score of 0, the results of the match would look like:

Bill: (15 points scored - 3 Komp difference) = 12
Chase: (5 points scored + 3 Komp difference) = 8

The event will likely have scenarios that allow players to score somewhere between 20 and 30 points per round.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 20, 2014, 02:14:12 PM: Quote from: robpro on February 20, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
Why allow Imperial Knights, which use rules in Escalation, but disallow escalation?

I'm not sure this is entirely accurate.

I'm lead to believe the Knights book will be equivalent to any other codex. It may be the first codex that incorporates Lords of War (or whatever they're called) but I'm not about to ban an entire army book for a "normal" tournament.

For what it's worth, the GW rep told me earlier this week that there are rules that allow you to "just take" 1-3 Knights as an allied detachment. No HQ, no Troop, no Lord of War... Just 1-3 Knights as an allied detachment. We'll see how it pans out. I've just got to determine how many Komp points a Knight is worth (not a discussion for this thread).

Also, banning the new book + new, awesome model would be one of the worst things I could do with respect to the product. Not gonna happen.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on February 20, 2014, 02:18:08 PM: The rules for the knights as linked show they are titans, which is why I ask.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 20, 2014, 02:18:32 PM: Added:

• Ties will be broken by Komp score, then Primary Objective Points, then Secondary Objective Points, etc.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 20, 2014, 04:04:01 PM: Chase, this is all unreleased yet, obviously, but several sources have indicated that Knights are meant to be used "under the permission of Escalation". I.e., if you're using a super heavy, including Knights, then it's an escalation match. WHich presumably included the increased VPs and warlord traits and increased likelihood to seize.

A Lord of War is a Lord of War. This doesn't look like a "normal" codex to me, less so even than the inquisition thing. Of course, it sucks that GW is in no way clear about this.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Moosifer on February 20, 2014, 04:23:45 PM: I will be there to be a speed bump for anyone on their way to victory!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Pat.H on February 20, 2014, 06:47:45 PM: I am definitely going to try to make it so I can see how these new Ork dread mob toys work in a tournament setting.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on February 21, 2014, 12:11:46 AM: From what I glanced at, the Knights have some Special Rules that are defined in Escalation. I would imagine it's easy enough to use those definitions without allowing the entire book.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 21, 2014, 12:12:54 AM: Quote from: Sir_Prometheus on February 20, 2014, 04:04:01 PM
A Lord of War is a Lord of War. This doesn't look like a "normal" codex to me, less so even than the inquisition thing. Of course, it sucks that GW is in no way clear about this.

Yeah, if it ends up being another abnormal book or if the Knights are to be used only in escalation games, they will not be allowed in this event.

It would be a real shame. I guess we're going to have to wait until the 1st'ish to see. :/
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: corporaptor primus on February 21, 2014, 09:23:49 AM: "Other digital and hard backed supplements that are not found under the restrictions (see below) will be allowed."

Does this mean the Tyranid dataslates are ok?

Thanks
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: AstartesXXVI on February 21, 2014, 04:17:46 PM: I may actually go to this event to see how the Komp scoring pans out.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 21, 2014, 07:23:57 PM: Quote from: corporaptor primus on February 21, 2014, 09:23:49 AM
"Other digital and hard backed supplements that are not found under the restrictions (see below) will be allowed."

Does this mean the Tyranid dataslates are ok?

I am not familiar with the different Tyranid dataslates, but if they fall within the rules, are not Lords of War, they can be taken... Although we may add Komp points to them later.

It's sort of the problem with trying to do this Komp stuff with the rate at which GW is putting out content now. I guess I'll have to be better at limiting everything, but people get their panties in a bunch over that also.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Mike_k on February 22, 2014, 12:45:01 AM: Chase do the best you can this is like a whole new world for all of us on so many levels. Anyone gives you too much shit F@#$ em we can all jump them in the parking lot and steal their Piezoni's take out.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on February 22, 2014, 01:21:15 AM: Good. :)
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on February 22, 2014, 02:16:57 PM: Why do people keep thinking Imperial Knights(IK) are Lords of War?? The White Dwarf CLEARLY states they can be a primary or allied force with MULTIPLE Knights. Lords of War CAN'T be more then ONE! :D
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 22, 2014, 09:10:45 PM: Shrug? Because they're super-heavies.

And regardless, even if GW "everyone can take these, all the time", that doesn't really mean we should listen to that.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: PhoenixFire on February 22, 2014, 09:54:43 PM: Someone must have the white dwarf in hand on these forums.

Are the white dwarf rules temporary until a dex or mini-dex comes out soonish? Or are the white dwarf rules the only rules we're getting?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 22, 2014, 10:34:40 PM: They list the rules for models themselves, but not how the codex actually works. Which is out next week.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: PhoenixFire on February 22, 2014, 11:05:07 PM: Quote from: Sir_Prometheus on February 22, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
They list the rules for models themselves, but not how the codex actually works. Which is out next week.

ic, well here's to next week and clearing up the fog then
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: bradpowers on February 22, 2014, 11:18:20 PM: I officially put in my claim of dibs for a Knight that says NI! There will be a knight. He will have a shrubbery, and a strength D herring, like all proper knights who say icki icki icki putaaaaang NI!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 01:23:37 AM: Quote from: Sir_Prometheus on February 22, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Shrug? Because they're super-heavies.

And regardless, even if GW "everyone can take these, all the time", that doesn't really mean we should listen to that.

Is there a leaked pic that says they're super heavies? I haven't seen one..

And just because you light the forums up with negative comments doesn't mean we should listen to you
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: PhoenixFire on February 23, 2014, 08:46:01 AM: Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Quote from: Sir_Prometheus on February 22, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Shrug? Because they're super-heavies.

And regardless, even if GW "everyone can take these, all the time", that doesn't really mean we should listen to that.

Is there a leaked pic that says they're super heavies? I haven't seen one..

And just because you light the forums up with negative comments doesn't mean we should listen to you

They are, says it right in the original leaked picture here

http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.0
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 12:43:24 PM: Quote from: PhoenixFire on February 23, 2014, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Is there a leaked pic that says they're super heavies? I haven't seen one..

They are, says it right in the original leaked picture here

http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.0

Are you referring to the same leaked pic with the models from the 1980s? ::) That's doesn't look like a leak, it looks like abstract words on a website. In fact, those "rules" were "rumors" posted before ANY Knight pics were available at all.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: PhoenixFire on February 23, 2014, 01:07:54 PM: Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: PhoenixFire on February 23, 2014, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Is there a leaked pic that says they're super heavies? I haven't seen one..

They are, says it right in the original leaked picture here

http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.0

Are you referring to the same leaked pic with the models from the 1980s? ::) That's doesn't look like a leak, it looks like abstract words on a website. In fact, those "rules" were "rumors" posted before ANY Knight pics were available at all.

Look buddy it's clearly a picture from a white dwarf magazine, it clearly says under unit type "super heavy walker"

I don't know why you're saying the sky isn't blue because it's pretty clear cut and frankly I don't care to waste any more time discussing the obvious.

Don't be "that guy" who argues just to argue
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Tharcil on February 23, 2014, 01:23:04 PM: Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 12:43:24 PM
Quote from: PhoenixFire on February 23, 2014, 08:46:01 AM
Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Is there a leaked pic that says they're super heavies? I haven't seen one..

They are, says it right in the original leaked picture here

http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.0

Are you referring to the same leaked pic with the models from the 1980s? ::) That's doesn't look like a leak, it looks like abstract words on a website. In fact, those "rules" were "rumors" posted before ANY Knight pics were available at all.

I think the misunderstanding is that MM did not read the whole thread you linked, just clicked on the first link on the first post, rather than scrolling down to the picture being referred to in the BG forum.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on February 23, 2014, 01:50:16 PM: This post. Super Heavy Walker.
http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.msg61018#msg61018
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 02:39:47 PM: Quote from: Benjamin on February 23, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
This post. Super Heavy Walker.
http://www.battlegroundgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=7548.msg61018#msg61018

Ah thank you

Quote from: Tharcil on February 23, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
I think the misunderstanding is that MM did not read the whole thread you linked, just clicked on the first link on the first post, rather than scrolling down to the picture being referred to in the BG forum.

Correct.. I wasn't arguing just to argue, I was legitimately asking for the leaked pic.. this is obviously a lot clearer. Thanks

WS4 with A3 is pretty crappy, no wonder why he has a D sword. He'll be hitting Bloodthirsters on 5's, and that's AFTER the BloodThrister strikers first. Same deal for Keeper of Secrets

With Smash, both the Bloodthirster and Keeper will be hitting on 3's and glancing on 3's.. as well as striking before the knight. Those are pretty good odds.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: andalucien on February 23, 2014, 03:34:33 PM: Quote from: MM3791 on February 23, 2014, 02:39:47 PM
WS4 with A3 is pretty crappy, no wonder why he has a D sword. He'll be hitting Bloodthirsters on 5's, and that's AFTER the BloodThrister strikers first. Same deal for Keeper of Secrets

With Smash, both the Bloodthirster and Keeper will be hitting on 3's and glancing on 3's.. as well as striking before the knight. Those are pretty good odds.

Well... assuming that he doesn't have to go through terrain, the bloodthirster will strike first and on average do 3 hull points to the Knight. Then the knight strikes and has about a 60% chance of removing the bloodthirster from play (just needs to roll 1 5 in 4 dice and then not roll a 2 to wound).
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 23, 2014, 03:49:51 PM: Yes, the 3 attacks looks bad until you consider Str D. Also, don't forget stomp. No, no MC can actually fight it reasonably.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: andalucien on February 23, 2014, 04:33:53 PM: Oh yeah, forgot the stomp, that also has around a 40% chance or so of removing the MC from play.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on February 23, 2014, 08:13:15 PM: Quote from: andalucien on February 23, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
Oh yeah, forgot the stomp, that also has around a 40% chance or so of removing the MC from play.

You mean 1/6 chance with stomp?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Sir_Prometheus on February 23, 2014, 10:52:06 PM: No, he means 40%. Which I'm not sure why that matters as the Str D will probably kill whatever it is anyway. Stomp is just to make sure you don't get bogged down in hordes of Orks, cuz it would be awful if theres things had a counter.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on February 24, 2014, 12:07:16 AM: as i mentioned in the other thread, a brood of carnifexes, will likely kill a knight on the charge.

a D hit only does a d3+1 on average (factoring the d6+6 on a 6 to wound and no effect on a 1) so any mc with 4+ wounds (all the tyranid mcs) will take two D hits on average to kill. it's still not good odds, but with high i and smash, it isn't unreasonable to bring down knights i cc with mcs (though typically not on equal points).
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 03, 2014, 12:11:38 AM: You can get two Riptides for the cost of one Knight.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 12:56:13 PM: Is this going to be the standard for BG tourneys? Because this makes my daemon army nerfed to the ground, and I play that army specifically as my tourney army. Dark Eldar, is my casual army... This just has me concerned...
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 12:58:23 PM: Sorry for the double post, How will this work in a DE list with 12 vehicles? As everything in my army pretty much needs a transport, I take 12. It says 1 komp for having a 9th vehicle, 2 for having a 13th. I play 12, so will 12 still just cost me one komp?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 04, 2014, 01:00:27 PM: To your first post; I don't think this will be standard at all; and to your second you got it right. For the record; I think vehicle heavy DE are one of the better lists at 3 limp points.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 01:13:17 PM: Thanks for the reply. That's what I thought, I Guess a positive thing out of this is the fact that at Komp events, I can legitimately attend tourneys with my Dark Eldar and have a shot at winning haha.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 04, 2014, 01:25:11 PM: I think that is certainly part of the intent I know I am blowing the dust of some models that I haven't played in a while.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 01:42:26 PM: Do you think armies maxing out on 3 komp will have a distinct disadvantage when it comes to scoring?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 04, 2014, 02:54:39 PM: Quote from: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 01:42:26 PM
Do you think armies maxing out on 3 komp will have a distinct disadvantage when it comes to scoring?

What do you mean? I think the idea is that 3 komp armies should be more powerful than people who didn't get any komp armies, so that cancels out any "scoring disadvantage" they might have.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 04, 2014, 03:59:07 PM: Will there be a komp discount for this event?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on March 04, 2014, 04:03:39 PM: Quote
• This event will be using the "Threshold" method for constructing lists. A player's list MAY NOT exceed 3 (three) Komp points.

• To score your list start with 0 (zero) Komp, then add any penalties that are mentioned under your army's heading; add up all the penalties to get your Komp score. Please do not forget to factor in your allies.

• At the end of each game in the event, if one player has a higher Komp score than another, that player will subtract the difference from his/hers points earned in the game and the opposing player will get to add the same number to his points earned in the game.

those are the rules from the original post. no komp discount.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 04, 2014, 07:05:17 PM: I personally will be bringing a zero comp list. More fun and against someone with 3 komp, it's a free objective.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Ian Mulligan on March 04, 2014, 07:30:31 PM: Quote from: Bill on March 04, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
I personally will be bringing a zero comp list. More fun and against someone with 3 komp, it's a free objective.

I was thinking about that earlier today!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on March 04, 2014, 07:49:16 PM: A passing thought. Would it be possible/worthwhile/interesting to make first round matches based on a player's Komp score? 3 vs 3, 0 vs 0 and so on?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 04, 2014, 10:38:13 PM: That is pretty commonly done any time a quantifiable comp system is used but it is only a 3 round tournament. If the numbers would out even it would be neat but you don't want to end up with everyone facing a like comped army and one 0 having to battle a 3 it makes it unfair for those two players. I am personally hoping to face 3 komped people each round. Will be fun to get my face pushed in, in theory.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on March 04, 2014, 10:49:16 PM: We must accept there's no "fair" when it comes to match-ups in a 3 round tournament.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 05, 2014, 09:36:56 AM: Someone has to play troy afterall.... ;)
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 05, 2014, 11:13:54 AM: Pairing up 3 vs 3 and 0 vs 0 takes away the disadvantages of running a 3 komp list and the advantages of running a 0 komp list.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 05, 2014, 02:01:53 PM: Quote from: robpro on March 05, 2014, 11:13:54 AM
Pairing up 3 vs 3 and 0 vs 0 takes away the disadvantages of running a 3 komp list and the advantages of running a 0 komp list.

The whole point of the system is to level the playing field between armies/players. So matching opponents for one round is supportive of the point of the comp system. It also would match players to armies close to the same powerlevel and avoids the extra point system for one round, or minimizes its impact.

Why is this bad?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Ian Mulligan on March 05, 2014, 02:17:39 PM: I dont play this game but I have opinions.

I agree with robpro, here. Why have comp scores adjust point totals if for one round its engineered such that they may as well not exist? Isn't the idea also that the bonus/penalty makes the match up fair and thus negate any need to rig pairings?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on March 05, 2014, 07:06:03 PM: What would it say if a 0 Komp list wins the tournament? To me, that says either the winning player is most skilled/lucky, and/or it flags units/armies that should be re-examined within the Komp scoring.

We could reduce the skilled/luck side of the statement significantly by matching up players with similar score lists in the first round, because all 0 lists are supposed to be equal in theory, just as all 3 lists are supposed to be equal to all 3 lists.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on March 05, 2014, 07:20:52 PM: Quote
What would it say if a 0 Komp list wins the tournament? To me, that says either the winning player is most skilled/lucky, and/or it flags units/armies that should be re-examined within the Komp scoring.

if a 0 komp list wins by a single point (or some other small number of points), then what it means is that the points bonus given to an army with a lower komp value is working properly since the win is within the range of the points awarded to the player for playing a 'weaker' army. if the 0 komp army is winning by a landslide, then you might want to evaluate how the komp scores were calculated.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 01:48:33 PM: Question regarding Daemons... It says here 1komp for every 4th mastery level on a FMC... Our FMC can only take 3 mastery levels...
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 06, 2014, 02:12:56 PM: Does it refer to the cumulative total between all FMCs?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 02:26:23 PM: says every fourth on a FMC singular, doesn't say plural. So I'm assuming it's on one.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 06, 2014, 03:14:52 PM: Quote from: Ian Mulligan on March 05, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
I dont play this game but I have opinions.

I agree with robpro, here. Why have comp scores adjust point totals if for one round its engineered such that they may as well not exist? Isn't the idea also that the bonus/penalty makes the match up fair and thus negate any need to rig pairings?

It is typically done when the range allowance is larger, as some strategies can be to get the most comp points possible and just play defensive/unengaging the whole time. Pairing someone with a comp score close to them makes this strategy risky.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 06, 2014, 03:17:37 PM: Quote from: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
says every fourth on a FMC singular, doesn't say plural. So I'm assuming it's on one.

So, you choose to read it that it is comping something that is impossible in the game? Makes sense :o

It doesn't say FMC as singular, it states it as a unit type.

Take all mastery levels on FMCs, add them together, the 4th and 8th and 12th ones cost you 1 komp point each.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 04:06:20 PM: Quote from: keithb on March 06, 2014, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
says every fourth on a FMC singular, doesn't say plural. So I'm assuming it's on one.

So, you choose to read it that it is comping something that is impossible in the game? Makes sense :o

It doesn't say FMC as singular, it states it as a unit type.

Take all mastery levels on FMCs, add them together, the 4th and 8th and 12th ones cost you 1 komp point each.

This is why I posted here for clarification. You alright man?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Tsilber on March 06, 2014, 04:56:59 PM: This seems like a cool idea. I think im reading it correctly, but I would only have 1 Komp (Bel'akor) if I used the same list In the last tourney I placed first at up at BG.

I will try to make this one Chase. Ill give you a more definite soon.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 06, 2014, 05:15:00 PM: Would be good to see ya Todd, been a while since I moved back to Boston from CT.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: JimH1164 on March 07, 2014, 12:07:35 AM: I will be playing in this one with my Necron hoard, but probably end up with a 3comp army.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on March 07, 2014, 04:17:48 AM: If you're planning to play don't forget to email me to register.

ChaseLaq@gmail.com
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 11, 2014, 11:19:38 AM: Chase, are you allowing the knight titans for this event? Also, how are you comping forge world units? I haven't checked the first post to see if there have been updates, but I remember the question not really being 100% answered yet.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on March 11, 2014, 02:53:53 PM: I suppose it's that time.

FW will be comped on a case by case basis. If you're planning to use a FW model please let me know asap.

Knights will be allowed. Taking one of them will be 1 point. The second will be 290354092384.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 12, 2014, 11:03:16 AM: You might want to make the knight 2 or 3 points. Banning escalation and the komp restrictions make it very hard for armies eithout a knight to deal with a knight.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Ian Mulligan on March 12, 2014, 12:25:29 PM: So I couldn't play with an Imperial Knights army? Its a legal codex, right?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: robpro on March 12, 2014, 01:51:46 PM: Quote from: Ian Mulligan on March 12, 2014, 12:25:29 PM
So I couldn't play with an Imperial Knights army? Its a legal codex, right?

Lords of war are legal, too. What's your point?
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 12, 2014, 02:03:34 PM: I don't even think knights should cost 1 komp point. They're pretty easy to take down, and their D weapon is only close combat.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on March 12, 2014, 03:03:42 PM: Quote
I don't even think knights should cost 1 komp point.

for perspective, here are some things that are straight up worth 1 komp point:
1 nightscythe
1 farseer
1 venomthrope
1 stormraven
1 aegis defense line

saying knights aren't worth a comp point is equivalent to saying that all of the above are significantly more powerful than a knight, such that those need to be limited, but knights don't. i do not agree with that statement.

the real reason they need to cost comp points is to limit how many people can bring and with what. if they cost no points, i can bring a normal 3 komp army and just add a few knights to it. is that going to be just as easy to beat as the 3 komp army without knights? i highly doubt it.

i personally think knights should be more than 1pt, but i'm totally fine with them being 1 with no option to take a second.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 12, 2014, 10:04:30 PM: I don't think a Venomthrope should be worth a comp point, it's a buffer unit like the Farseer.. but not nearly as powerful as the Farseer.

This is why I think comp is stupid, they can't even distinguish the difference between a venomthrope and a farseer.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Chase on March 12, 2014, 10:09:37 PM: It's not perfect, it's just something different that might change up what we normally see at the average 1850 event.

Some noteworthy players have made comments in the FB event post about some of the more powerful "3 Komp or less" builds. They're still out there, they just might not be super common.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on March 13, 2014, 12:57:08 AM: Quote
This is why I think comp is stupid, they can't even distinguish the difference between a venomthrope and a farseer.

to be fair, my post is mildly misleading (to drive home the point that a 0 comp knight is just silly). the one comp for a farseer is for EACH farseer, so if you take two it's two comp points, whereas for venomthropes, you just pay once, after that you can have as many as you want (which matters as it lets you play multiple bubbles, or make one bubble harder to remove).

Quote
It's not perfect, it's just something different that might change up what we normally see at the average 1850 event.

certainly isn't perfect, but i think it's a good start and the concept of targeting problem units instead of trying to make blanket changes to indirectly deal with the problem is the right idea.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on March 13, 2014, 08:07:52 AM: Quote from: Goblin on March 13, 2014, 12:57:08 AM
certainly isn't perfect, but i think it's a good start and the concept of targeting problem units instead of trying to make blanket changes to indirectly deal with the problem is the right idea.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.

But I can't wait to see how the dominant Ork lists adapt to their penalties.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 13, 2014, 11:59:28 AM: I see what you did there Ben, I think the problem is that people are thinking about these changes in the vacuum of their own army. Using the Orks as an example; sure they are not dominant at all but if you made all the changes to Tau and Eldar but did nothing to Orks to keep them from getting out of control all it would do is shift the meta to a different power army so you have to consider what effect changing the current power armies will have on the non-current power armies.

The other issue when making comp you have to assume that each and every person is at the exact same skill level.

To be honest; if there was no restriction on Mega Nobs but a massive restriction on O'vessa star (extremely good at killing mega nobs) and no other massive deathstars to tie them down than Orks would be pretty insane. Mega nobz are amazing but you still have to be a good player. Comp has to assume that everyone is good enough to make them the broken unit that they would be.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 13, 2014, 01:05:31 PM: It's called the butterfly effect, and no one ever accounts for it until it breaks a system in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 13, 2014, 01:18:48 PM: Exactly. The best example is right in front of us with Daemons. Yes, the two most popular builds are comped it not all the powerful builds were. Daemons are by far number 1 under this systems. But if people went and comped cav daemons than people would cry; that build isn't broken and played all the time; why komp it? Well we will all see why at this tourney lol.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 13, 2014, 04:43:40 PM: Just a side thing, can we say "komp" because that's techinically what it's called. everytime I see "comp" I die a little inside. lol
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 13, 2014, 04:50:53 PM: If you look at Fantasy comp; you'll see that every unit, character, and magic item, from each individual army book is carefully analyzed. This just looks like a half baked shotgun blast to the face. I still think it's rediculious that venomthropes are even on the list at all.

Also I wasn't criticizing BG, I was criticizing those damn Swedes ;) If people wanted me too, I could make a 'Merican comp using the Fantasy template, but I don't think the regular rules are as bad as people say.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: AstartesXXVI on March 13, 2014, 05:59:54 PM: Quote from: Bill on March 13, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
Exactly. The best example is right in front of us with Daemons. Yes, the two most popular builds are comped it not all the powerful builds were. Daemons are by far number 1 under this systems. But if people went and comped cav daemons than people would cry; that build isn't broken and played all the time; why komp it? Well we will all see why at this tourney lol.
By this logic, man, you shouldn't komp anything. (I'm not saying that, I'm just pointing it out...frankly breaking the game in another direction can still shake things up a bit).

I think if nothing else it is a good way for players to know what power level an army is, that is probably the most important part. What makes people rage about power builds isn't the builds themselves but how handily their own can be dismissed when playing them. Having a way to gauge if a battle will be an uphill battle before it starts is going to help a lot with that aspect. In that way it's valuable even if you don't use the system for anything beyond comparison.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Benjamin on March 13, 2014, 06:44:07 PM: Quote from: Bill on March 13, 2014, 11:59:28 AM
I see what you did there Ben, I think the problem is that people are thinking about these changes in the vacuum of their own army.
Not the case with me. Komp is trying to roll back the power curve, which is plainly outrageous. But it's not as if an army like Orks was ever at the top of the curve in 6th, and this Komp isn't encouraging people to play the bottom tier armies.

Anyway, I had a thought today. What I think makes sense is not to adopt some Swedish version of 40k, but rather the community embark on its own. Call it BG Komp, keep the idea of points as penalties the same, and just adapt based on results at BG events (rather than some Euro-meta).
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 13, 2014, 06:55:12 PM: Quote from: Benjamin on March 13, 2014, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bill on March 13, 2014, 11:59:28 AM
I see what you did there Ben, I think the problem is that people are thinking about these changes in the vacuum of their own army.
Not the case with me. Komp is trying to roll back the power curve, which is plainly outrageous. But it's not as if an army like Orks was ever at the top of the curve in 6th, and this Komp isn't encouraging people to play the bottom tier armies.

Anyway, I had a thought today. What I think makes sense is not to adopt some Swedish version of 40k, but rather the community embark on its own. Call it BG Komp, keep the idea of points as penalties the same, and just adapt based on results at BG events (rather than some Euro-meta).

It isn't about rolling back the power curve, it is about balancing, it is usually easier to take away from the best then to boost the worst. It is also usually better received. I've occasionally seen people complain the the comp hit them too hard, but most of the time people understand. I can only image the flip out if they lose because of some "made up rule" to make a bad codex better.

Feel free to boost everything that is terrible and see where that gets you.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 13, 2014, 06:58:46 PM: Nerf the venomthrope, that thing is out of control
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: shwnlyns on March 13, 2014, 07:36:35 PM: Quote from: MM3791 on March 13, 2014, 06:58:46 PM
Nerf the venomthrope, that thing is out of control

We get it already, you hate komp and love everything about 40k and GW. Well, other people out there also like 40k and don't want to play against deathstars every tournament. So give it a shot, or don't. There was at least one event with super heavies, probably more to come, so let the community at least try this event without raging about how terrible it is. At the very least, different builds will be played and it should be a lot of fun for everyone involved.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Goblin on March 13, 2014, 07:49:18 PM: i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Bill on March 13, 2014, 09:00:02 PM: Quote from: Goblin on March 13, 2014, 07:49:18 PM
i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.

This
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dalymiddleboro on March 14, 2014, 09:49:55 AM: Quote from: MM3791 on March 13, 2014, 04:50:53 PM
If you look at Fantasy comp; you'll see that every unit, character, and magic item, from each individual army book is carefully analyzed. This just looks like a half baked shotgun blast to the face. I still think it's rediculious that venomthropes are even on the list at all.

Also I wasn't criticizing BG, I was criticizing those damn Swedes ;) If people wanted me too, I could make a 'Merican comp using the Fantasy template, but I don't think the regular rules are as bad as people say.

Murrica!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: keithb on March 14, 2014, 10:00:47 AM: Quote from: Bill on March 13, 2014, 09:00:02 PM
Quote from: Goblin on March 13, 2014, 07:49:18 PM
i think the venomthropes for 1 comp is fine. as you start to reduce the amount of ignores cover armies like tau and eldar can field you inflate the value of giving huge swaths of your army shrouding. a well placed aegis and/or piece of ruin could potentially get you within charge distance of your opponent maintaining 2-3+ cover the whole time.

i don't know if it's strong enough to be worth 1 comp, but i can see the justification. i'm just saying that as a nids player i don't think it's ridiculous.

This

/agree

Venomthropes are good but frail, they buy a lot of insurance for turn 1
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Tsilber on March 16, 2014, 12:22:13 PM: So I admit I dont know much about escalation rules or FW units. What is the initiative of the Errant or Paladin? Does super-heavy ignore glancing hits? And most importantly is it effected by psychic powers normally? Because to see that on the enemies side has to be a "puppet masters" dream come to lite!
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: PhoenixFire on March 16, 2014, 12:49:41 PM: Quote from: Tsilber on March 16, 2014, 12:22:13 PM
So I admit I dont know much about escalation rules or FW units. What is the initiative of the Errant or Paladin? Does super-heavy ignore glancing hits? And most importantly is it effected by psychic powers normally? Because to see that on the enemies side has to be a "puppet masters" dream come to lite!

I think it has SM initiative

Does not ignore glances, pens are basicly glances unless it's an explodes result

Psychic powers is a good question....
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Dan Bunker on March 16, 2014, 05:03:35 PM: they are not immune to psychic powers. :D
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: Pat.H on March 16, 2014, 09:46:49 PM: Quote from: Dan Bunker on March 16, 2014, 05:03:35 PM
they are not immune to psychic powers. :D

Awesome.

Also there best be some forge world chapter tactics used at this tournament.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/B/FWchaptertactics-v2.pdf
Title: Re: [Plainville MA] 40k 1850 Swedish Komp Event - 3/22
Post by: MM3791 on March 17, 2014, 11:20:16 PM: Here's a cool battle report from Frontline with Chaos Crimson Slaughters vs Grey Knights & Imperial Knight ally. The Knight isn't over powered at all, noobs just get scared but it is actually a huge gamble, high risk vs high reward. Anyways great themed battle report, enjoy http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2014/03/17/warhammer-40k-video-bat-rep-crimson-slaughter-vs-grey-knights-and-imperial-knight/