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Games Workshop => Warhammer 40K => Topic started by: Grand Master Steve on December 04, 2011, 05:58:22 PM
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I think Abington is in a decline of warhammer gamming which makes me a Sad Steve. I think we should form a small group and do a Tale of X gamers.
For those who are not familiar with the concept, basically we set a point limit each month. We would start with the basic maybe 1000. Than maybe increase that by 200-500 pts a month. Each month your stuff will be photographed and scored. I'm not 100% sure how the scoring works but I recall an example being; did you have the point allotment fully painted by the deadline?
The prize? Having a tournament ready fully painted army. And maybe a cool plaque or something that's not expensive. I have to look up the exact rules of how a Tale of X gamers is done but I think it will bring a much needed breath of life to playing 40k at Abington.
So c'mon guys! even if its just 4 of us we can have fun slowly collecting, painting and playing Warhammer 40,000.
I am in, and to change things up for me and get me out of my commfort zone, Im going to do Space Wolves.
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This is a very interesting idea. I may steal it for Plainville, mostly because it's exactly what I need for my Spehss Mahreens. :)
By the way, it was good yesterday to see some of the Abington crowd out for the tournament. Glad I got to meet/chat with many of you.
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I thought it was a good idea and im hoping a few others will as well. I want to bring 40k back to Abington.
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I'm in with Lamenters.
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Sweet! Few more people and we can do this! Just have to find out the rules and such for scoring and determining the "winner"
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Ok the Rules are so simple!
we will determine how many points for the first round and set a completeion date. Then every one plays every one else one time. and here is the scoring:
Models Painted:
-On time = 5 points
-late = 3 points
-not finished = 0 points
Games played:
-win = 3 points
-draw = 2 points
-loss = 1 point
Who ever has the most points is the winner and Ill make up a cool plack to have hung in the store.
If any one else wants to eratta or add to this system let me know.
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Define painted. Three-color minimum?
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i checked the white dwarf and the criteria on games played was actually games played(best result) which will most likely work better for most people. meaning you can play as many games as you want and you take you best result for the score. say you play 1 game and tie you can take that score but you can also play more games until you win for the best results. and the painting criteria seemed to be more to completion what that means is what it means for you. one of the guys did extensive converting on the stand for his jetbikes and then painted it. it is supposed to be friendly so if you don't feel that your models are complete than you are not done. i am not sure if there was i different time for submission and then a later one for a late date or what that would have to be determined.
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Define painted. Three-color minimum?
Let's go for the gold and say "if you have to ask, it isn't".
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I'm very interested, I am "Slowly" building an army and I need an excuse to get playing again. I won't have a 100 points for a while though :(
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Just realized, this would be perfect to start for January. New holiday presents / Battleground gift certificates (now available at all fine Battleground retail locations!) coupled with the idea of New Year's resolutions still lingering in people's heads...
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Just realized, this would be perfect to start for January. New holiday presents / Battleground gift certificates (now available at all fine Battleground retail locations!) coupled with the idea of New Year's resolutions still lingering in people's heads...
count me in if you do this in Plainville Ben, i've got 1500ish of Necrons i still need to assemble and paint, and if this is just painting might be the kickstart i need to get this massive amount of grey knights painted lol
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thanks Seth thats helpful. Once we get enough people in Ill make a revised rules list with more detailed explenations
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If you start with a small point value, i'm in. But because i am just starting :'( (i'm going to get assult on Black Reach in a couple of days) if you start with something like 1,000 points i couldn't do it. But it's a good idea all the same. :)
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it looks like the first month all they had to do was paint and assemble about 500 points of a new army. the second month they had to add 250 points and play their first games. then it said that next month they would be up to 1000 points. The thing started in wd 343(which i don't have) and continues from there.(i do have the second one wd 344 though)
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That's valuable info, Seth.
Internet ninjas, if you can find the articles or WD's out there, please email them to me.
(or scan them and email them to me)
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If nothing else, you can find a few of these on GWs website, they have 6 of them for Warhammer Fantasy up there.
This is the first one:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat440022a&categoryId=400020§ion=&aId=10100003a (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat440022a&categoryId=400020§ion=&aId=10100003a)
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Found one for 40K i think this is part 1
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat210004&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=7200003 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat210004&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=7200003)
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Part 2
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=600002&pIndex=0&aId=7700003&multiPageMode=true&start=1 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=600002&pIndex=0&aId=7700003&multiPageMode=true&start=1)
Part 3
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=9700005 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=9700005)
Part 4
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=10900008 (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=600002§ion=&aId=10900008)
Hope this helps- King of the Elves
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Im think we start at 1250 so we have enough points to get a variaty of units. thoughts?
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i checked the white dwarf and the criteria on games played was actually games played(best result) which will most likely work better for most people. meaning you can play as many games as you want and you take you best result for the score. say you play 1 game and tie you can take that score but you can also play more games until you win for the best results. and the painting criteria seemed to be more to completion what that means is what it means for you. one of the guys did extensive converting on the stand for his jetbikes and then painted it. it is supposed to be friendly so if you don't feel that your models are complete than you are not done. i am not sure if there was i different time for submission and then a later one for a late date or what that would have to be determined.
I actually like this idea that Seth is bringing up a lot, since it gives people like me who don't get to game at BG Abington as much as others. If we're taking the best score of one game, I could at least participate when I'm in town. Now if I can only get there on a regular monthly basis... ::)
One question I have though: Do we have to start with a new army, or can it be an army that we already have? TBH, I haven't planned on starting any new army, but have been just working more and more on my Ultramarines (adding details, and whatnot). Please let me know what the consensus would be for this.
Define painted. Three-color minimum?
Let's go for the gold and say "if you have to ask, it isn't".
+1 to this. Although, for the sake of technicalities, we should probably have some sort of standard.
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Im think we start at 1250 so we have enough points to get a variaty of units. thoughts?
I think that would depend on if you're having all the players make new armies. If you are, then 1250 may be a little high for someone just starting a new army, and is anxious (especially if you're playing horde-like armies, like Orks, Tyranids, or even IG).
I'd suggest lowering it to an even 1000 to start, and then go up in increments of 250 from there. Thoughts?
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well you are supposed to pick up a band new army. We can do 1k to start
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I'd suggest lowering it to an even 1000 to start, and then go up in increments of 250 from there
Is that 250 points per month?
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we haven't decided the time in between. A month doesn't seem like enough time for 250 for some armies.
First I have Questions:
1. Is this a definite go?
2. How much time in between point increases to paint them?
3. Re-State rules with clarifications
4. Besides myself and Ian who else is in?
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If i Get a job i will.
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hmmm. I would like to but I just started the Carcharodons a couple months ago. While they aren't finished, most of it is just lacking weathering and highlighting. :-\
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Is that 250 points per month?
I'd say 250 points per "unit of time" that we agree to set it at.
we haven't decided the time in between. A month doesn't seem like enough time for 250 for some armies.
First I have Questions:
1. Is this a definite go?
2. How much time in between point increases to paint them?
3. Re-State rules with clarifications
4. Besides myself and Ian who else is in?
1. I think you definitely have people interested, Steve. It's more of the matter of getting people to start a new army. As for myself, I did recently pick up some CSM and BA stuff. It'll be nice to play a new codex now, for me at least.
2. In hindsight, maybe a month was too short. I forgot how quickly time goes nowadays, and with Tristan around, I'd be lucky to get anything else done. Plus, if we expand the time frame between increments, it would allow me more leeway as far as how often I'd get to come up. One visit every 2 months is certainly more manageable than one visit per month.
3. I think Seth's post from earlier clarifies quite a bit of it, but if you want, I can make something a bit more "formal" later, and post to this thread when I've got some more free time.
4. I'm in, so long as the playing schedules are lenient enough for me to join.
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It may be possible to modify this a bit, to accommodate those who don't want to start a new army from scratch. What I'm envisioning is a painting rubric, marking off progression. Players submit their armies at the very start, and get a percentage score toward army completion. The winner each month is the player who completes the highest percentage (basically, whoever does the most in the month).
Example, if you've got an army that's almost done and you're in for the motivation to finish the project, maybe you're in at 80%. There's another guy with models in boxes, in at 0%. You both finish 1000 points (or whatever) for the first deadline. The other guy wins, because he did more in that month. But both players win, because their armies are one step closer to awesome!
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First I have Questions:
1. Is this a definite go?
2. How much time in between point increases to paint them?
3. Re-State rules with clarifications
4. Besides myself and Ian who else is in?
Depends on what month you start.
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Depends on what month you start.
With the holidays looming around this month, I think it'd be wise to start either in January or February. I'm leaning more towards Feb, to allow more preparation time for those are considering starting a new army from scratch.
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If this is going to be a store "sponsored" thing, I'm going to need some time to get it organized / advertised.
Too many projects in the pipe right now and not enough definitive answers. Borderline overwhelming actually. Good thing it's Monday.
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Ok so Jan sounds good. I think it will allow for partially painted armies. The idea is to get it finished and ready. From my understanding as long as you have the army painted in time your good. Eventually you will have to add to it when we increase the points of the army.
Im glad my idea is going to work! Lets figure out the details of start date, how much time between rounds, and flush out any other specific details.
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If this is going to be a store "sponsored" thing, I'm going to need some time to get it organized / advertised.
Too many projects in the pipe right now and not enough definitive answers. Borderline overwhelming actually. Good thing it's Monday.
Chase I think this will be more run by a small group of players in Abington. Shouldn't affect your plans to much.
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With the holidays looming around this month, I think it'd be wise to start either in January or February. I'm leaning more towards Feb, to allow more preparation time for those are considering starting a new army from scratch.
I think if we start in Feb that would give everyone a good time amount to start a new army but Jan shouldn't be that bad
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I think if we start in Feb that would give everyone a good time amount to start a new army but Jan shouldn't be that bad
Agreed, but I think it may be better to get a poll on on the participants for when they'd think would be best for them. We'll all vote, and go by the majority.
Chase, as far as "sponsorship" goes, what do you think about the participants submitting a fee to help alleviate whatever financial constraints that may come up? If we're talking about something as simple as a plaque, if each player pitched in $5 for this "league", it would more than cover the cost of something like that.
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That would be fine. Honestly, I'm a lot more concerned with the time involved on my end as far as hammering out the details / "rules", taking and posting pictures, documenting the progress of each persons stuff, and keeping people interested and motivated over what looks like half a year.
If the store is going to have no "official" involvement, then all of this is something I don't have to worry about.
History dictates that something like this needs someone to head it up in order to be successful. Usually, when the store doesn't fill this role, things burn hot and fast for a while, then die out.
It's a good idea and could certainly breath life into the 40k community in Abington. I would not like to see it "fail".
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Chase I was planning on heading up the project personaly and having a plaque made up. so dont worry hommey I got this covered
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Chase I was planning on heading up the project personaly and having a plaque made up. so dont worry hommey I got this covered
Awesome! Good luck and good job!
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Thanks dude!
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Chase I was planning on heading up the project personaly and having a plaque made up. so dont worry hommey I got this covered
Alright Steve,
I want to finish some Elysians, so let's have at this. Start in January? 1000 points as buy in? or are we starting with 500?
Cheers,
Alan
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I would really like to take part in this.
I need an excuse to start playing again.
can we start with 500 points? I don't think I'll get 1000 done by next month....
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Starting January we are all starting at 1000pts the army can be already partialy painted, after either a Month and a Half or 2 Months is the deadline for having your army painted. The time limit has yet to be decided. You can play as many games as you like picking the best score out of all the games.
All current Codecies are acceptable as are Imperial Armor codecies within reason, if you can substitute a Standard codex for the Imperial Armor book It is Strongly Encuraged to use a standard codex.
Scoring is as follows:
Painting:
Painted army on time: 5 Points
Painted models are late: 3 Points
Army not painted by the start of the next round: 0 Points
Games:
win: 3 points
draw:2 points
Loss: 1 point
I will say every one has a week to play a game or two to get their desired results and if they did not finish on time to get the 3 points for the late paint score.
In the event of a tie after the final round there will be a final game to be played to determine the ultimate winner.
So lets decide how much time in between rounds, and any other imput you have for me
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I would really like to take part in this.
I need an excuse to start playing again.
can we start with 500 points? I don't think I'll get 1000 done by next month....
We start in January and you will have Until some time in March to have 1000 points assembled and painted. So you dont have to start in January as owning the 1000pts you can still collect it by the time line.
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We start in January and you will have Until some time in March to have 1000 points assembled and painted. So you dont have to start in January as owning the 1000pts you can still collect it by the time line.
So do you have to have a 1000 point army assembled and painted by Jan or just have the materials ready so that in March sometime you have it all ready.
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We start in January and you will have Until some time in March to have 1000 points assembled and painted. So you dont have to start in January as owning the 1000pts you can still collect it by the time line.
Well if a noobish player is welcome I would love to sign up with my Flesheaters.
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We start in January and you will have Until some time in March to have 1000 points assembled and painted. So you dont have to start in January as owning the 1000pts you can still collect it by the time line.
So do you have to have a 1000 point army assembled and painted by Jan or just have the materials ready so that in March sometime you have it all ready.
You would need the 1k by March. You don't have to start with all 1k in hand as long as you have 1k by the deadline.
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We start in January and you will have Until some time in March to have 1000 points assembled and painted. So you dont have to start in January as owning the 1000pts you can still collect it by the time line.
Well if a noobish player is welcome I would love to sign up with my Flesheaters.
Noobish members perfectly welcome! Great way to get started and meet other players.
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So to clarify:
Round 1 Start Date: Jan 1, 2012 (tentatively)
Deadline for first 1000 Points assembled and painted: Feb 29, 2012
All players must have played at least 1 game and have their painted army scored. (Scoring system to be clarified later)
Round 2 Start Date: Mar 1, 2012
Deadline for additional 250 points of painted models: April 30, 2012
I think a 2 month time frame would be fair for everyone.
On another note, how far/high do we want this to continue? If you go the length of the entire year, we'd have 2500 points of our new armies. How's everyone feel about that?
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I think a 2 month time frame would be fair for everyone.
I agree, but also I want to point out...
On another note, how far/high do we want this to continue? If you go the length of the entire year, we'd have 2500 points of our new armies. How's everyone feel about that?
Forcing 250 each month gives people a 2500 point army by July, just in time for Ard Boyz.
But since Ard Boyz doesn't require painting and is LOL!, it's really just a cute coincidence I noticed. :)
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Noobish members perfectly welcome! Great way to get started and meet other players
This is awasome i can't wait to get started with IG! and will tanks and such count or is it just troops?
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I believe it's anything that adds points to your army.
Tanks, troops, bikes, weapons teams... all of it.
Again, just from what I've seen done in the past, it's been anything.
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anything available to your army is useable as long as it follows the standard force org. Chart.
You must have an HQ and two Troop choices before you can add anything else to your list. 1000 pts is enough to cover more than troops and HQ.
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Since everyone else that has signed up is doing marines I think I will use this as an excuse to get my Orks Painted. They have been sitting here taunting me.
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Forcing 250 each month gives people a 2500 point army by July, just in time for Ard Boyz.
But since Ard Boyz doesn't require painting and is LOL!, it's really just a cute coincidence I noticed. :)
Astute observation, Ben, but I think in the spirit of the "campaign", for lack of a better word, if we keep it at a more casual pace, people will find it more enjoyable. And as you also pointed out, 'Ard Boyz doesn't require painting, and the lists also tend to be WAAC. Unless players intend to play that way for this campaign, I don't see the campaign helping anyone who intends to play in this year's 'Ard Boyz.
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Just a noob question... what's Ard Boyz?
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Just a noob question... what's Ard Boyz?
Every year, GW hosts a free 2500 point tournament. It's 3 rounds, and the preliminaries and semi-finals are usually played at an FLGS. The final round is then played at another location, of GW's choice IIRC.
The tournaments prize support is completely sponsored by GW, so should you place in any of them, not only do you advance to the next round, but you're usually given a prize, in the form of store credit or a box kit of a certain value. Couple the prizes by the fact that it's free to play, and you usually see quite a few harsh lists out there.
Anyways, that's 'Ard Boyz in a nutshell.
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The prizes for the Ard Boyz Semi-final Round are significant. This year our winner chose a Grey Knight army and received:
5x Grey Knight Terminator Boxes
2x Grey Knight Boxes
3x Stormraven Gunship Boxes
2x Landraider Crusader Boxes
1x Landraider Box
Not too bad for a free event, huh? ;)
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Not too bad for a free event, huh? ;)
Not bad at all, thanks for the info.
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Ok final details I would like to flush out:
When we start in January should we end: In middle of March or End of March?
How much time between rounds?
Is a 250 point increase a reasonable amount inbetween rounds or should it be more?
When we end it should the armies be at 1500 or 2000? How long do we want this to go?
How many people are going to participate? Namely so I can change the X in X Gamers to a number.
When we start Ide like to take photos of each player and what they have at the time for their respective armies. I will make a Spread sheet for every one Any objections?
Finaly BG Plainville has a 40k Club. I think this tale of X gamers would be a good way to start one in Abington. I would like to keep 40k going once all is said and done. Any thoughts?
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In my opinion you should definitely NOT end the first period at the end of March. 3 months to work on something means players will lose interest / forget about it.
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Ok final details I would like to flush out:
When we start in January should we end: In middle of March or End of March?
How much time between rounds?
Is a 250 point increase a reasonable amount inbetween rounds or should it be more?
When we end it should the armies be at 1500 or 2000? How long do we want this to go?
When we start Ide like to take photos of each player and what they have at the time for their respective armies. I will make a Spread sheet for every one Any objections?
Finaly BG Plainville has a 40k Club.
My two cents, times more... Here's a dollar, let's go.
I would end the first round sooner rather than later. If someone is lagging behind with their 1000, 250 per month would allow that person to catch up easy peasy.
I'd say one month and 250 points between rounds, after the initial 1000 period is complete.
I like Ian's sentiment. Go for the gold, 2000 point armies.
I avoid using the word "club" when it comes to Plainville... unless there actually is a club I don't know about. I have a strong personal disdain for the "club" concept, who's in, who's out, all that.
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Ok final details I would like to flush out:
When we start in January should we end: In middle of March or End of March?
How much time between rounds?
Is a 250 point increase a reasonable amount inbetween rounds or should it be more?
When we end it should the armies be at 1500 or 2000? How long do we want this to go?
How many people are going to participate? Namely so I can change the X in X Gamers to a number.
When we start Ide like to take photos of each player and what they have at the time for their respective armies. I will make a Spread sheet for every one Any objections?
Finaly BG Plainville has a 40k Club. I think this tale of X gamers would be a good way to start one in Abington. I would like to keep 40k going once all is said and done. Any thoughts?
How about first round ending at the end of Feb. That should give us 2 months to get started and settled. I would love for us to have "at least" a month between rounds. Perhaps if we do a longer time we try to do mid round updates.
I think 250 points a round is perfect.
Lets try for 2k points with the possibility to extend to more in the future
If this is the official signup count me in.
I think someone keeping us honest is a great idea. thanks for coming up with this.
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Ok this is good imput.
Chase is right we can become complaicent with more than 1 month. 1 should be sufficient.
So we Start Jan 1st end the first week of Feb
We will have the First week of Feb to show the fully painted models and play games you have a week after to complete any unfinished stuff to get the late points.
Second round would start the second week of Feb if you have late stuff during that week we can take the photos and score the points
We are definently doing 250 more points after each round
ok so no club. I would like something in place like this so that Abington keeps a 40k community going.
Any other edits, thoughts, complaints?
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if no club then you should call it the warhammer 40k cult of abington, or abington warhammer 40k coven, or warhammer 40k sect abington chapter.
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No club, please. Let's all just be part of the community.
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No club, please. Let's all just be part of the community.
Yup.
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Ok this is good imput.
Chase is right we can become complaicent with more than 1 month. 1 should be sufficient.
So we Start Jan 1st end the first week of Feb
We will have the First week of Feb to show the fully painted models and play games you have a week after to complete any unfinished stuff to get the late points.
Second round would start the second week of Feb if you have late stuff during that week we can take the photos and score the points
We are definently doing 250 more points after each round
ok so no club. I would like something in place like this so that Abington keeps a 40k community going.
Any other edits, thoughts, complaints?
1 month to get done 1K worth of troops a little too soon mabey do 500 points in feb 500 points in march then 250 each month
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I like the sound of that.
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It would keep everyone active yet still meet our "deadline", so to speak.
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Ok this is good imput.
Chase is right we can become complaicent with more than 1 month. 1 should be sufficient.
So we Start Jan 1st end the first week of Feb
We will have the First week of Feb to show the fully painted models and play games you have a week after to complete any unfinished stuff to get the late points.
Second round would start the second week of Feb if you have late stuff during that week we can take the photos and score the points
We are definently doing 250 more points after each round
ok so no club. I would like something in place like this so that Abington keeps a 40k community going.
Any other edits, thoughts, complaints?
1 month to get done 1K worth of troops a little too soon mabey do 500 points in feb 500 points in march then 250 each month
The only problem with this is it will take longer to get the event done. Is every one ok with that?
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Ok this is good imput.
Chase is right we can become complaicent with more than 1 month. 1 should be sufficient.
So we Start Jan 1st end the first week of Feb
We will have the First week of Feb to show the fully painted models and play games you have a week after to complete any unfinished stuff to get the late points.
Second round would start the second week of Feb if you have late stuff during that week we can take the photos and score the points
We are definently doing 250 more points after each round
ok so no club. I would like something in place like this so that Abington keeps a 40k community going.
Any other edits, thoughts, complaints?
1 month to get done 1K worth of troops a little too soon mabey do 500 points in feb 500 points in march then 250 each month
The only problem with this is it will take longer to get the event done. Is every one ok with that?
Sounds good to me, rather have it take a little longer than have people loose interest in a good great idea. But that's just me.
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Fair enough what say every one else? Roll back to 500 to start?
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I'm in. So 500 for each of the first 2 months then 250 a month after? That works for me
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I'm in. So 500 for each of the first 2 months then 250 a month after? That works for me
same.
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That'll work.
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Will the first 500 need to fit 1 Hq and 2 Troops or will that be checked after we get to 1000?
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Here's what my starting 500 looks like:
Librarian - 100
Shield of Sanguinus
Blood Lance
Total - 100 points.
Sanguinary Priest – 50
Power Weapon - 15
Total - 65 points.
Assault Squad - 100
No Jump Packs
Melta Gun – 10
Razorback - 20
Assault Cannon - 35
Total - 165 points.
Assault Squad - 100
No Jump Packs
Melta Gun – 10
Razorback - 20
Assault Cannon - 35
Total - 165 points.
Grand total: 495 points. I cannot wait to paint some motherfucking checkers and hearts.
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really i was thinking draigo 275
2 palidin 110
2 palidins mastercrat 1 weapon 115
total 500 points
not bad right 5 models
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If you fail to paint that, you are terrible.
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My starting 500 pt force is ....
Warboss with Powerclaw and TL shoota 95
22 Boys w/ choopas and sluggas one with Big shoota 137
22 Boys w/ choopas and sluggas 132
22 Boys w/ shootas one with Big shoota 137
496 points
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Whoa! That's a lot of dudes!
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I am beyond pumped about this. I want to start now.
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I am beyond pumped about this. I want to start now.
Same here!!!
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Whoa! That's a lot of dudes!
I figured it would help if I get most of the Boys out of the way early... that way I can work on the "Fun stuff" later
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Has there been any confirmed dates/ times yet? I'm just trying to plan ahead.
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the confirmed start date is Janurary 1st and we end it the first weekend of Feb. Im going to Ask Chase or Derrek if they could create a sticky topic for us. Also some time in Jan im gona take pics of every one playing holding their army codex a or a model box. Ill make a Spread Sheet to keep track of scoring for each player and maybe we can hang it up some where.
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Im going to Ask Chase or Derrek if they could create a sticky topic for us.
Very good idea!
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Ok so the official sticky will read "Tale of 7 Gamers Abington" Ide like to get one more person on board to make it an even 8 people. I talked to Nick Hough he seemed interested.
as of right now here is who we have:
-Me
-Ian Mulligan
-Seth
-roaddogg21581
-Achillius
-King of the Elves
-Randl
Did I miss any one?
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No Rick James, Dave Goss, Alex Moon, or any of the other regulars?
How much talk of this has there been at the store? I fear a few people may not have heard about it.
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From what I understand from Derrek its been talked about at the store and people posting here are the ones showing interest. I could be wrong though.
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Awasome! I am SO excited for this!!!!
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really i was thinking draigo 275
2 palidin 110
2 palidins mastercrat 1 weapon 115
total 500 points
not bad right 5 models
You inspire me.
I have had marines, I have had horde armies. Now it's time to start a "movie marines" that die to mass fire.
Maybe Goss will have a Grey Knight buddy after all.
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Ide like to get a running list of whos in. Other than the people ive listed on my previous post any one else in? Or any one on the list I posted not in?
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Im interested, but Im not sure if i can commit b/c school is being difficult. If i can i will be joining in w/ my daemons, not a single one painted but 2000pts.
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Ide like to get a running list of whos in. Other than the people ive listed on my previous post any one else in? Or any one on the list I posted not in?
Steve D, count me in!
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alright who else?
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Me.
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O.o Alright D! your in dude.
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Alright here is the current list of people that are in. Once again let me know if I missed any one. For simplicity sake i will just post the user name of the interested people.
-Me
-Ian Mulligan
-Seth
-roaddogg21581
-Achillius
-King of the Elves
-Randl
-Serring
-the_trooper
-Battlegrounds
This gives us 10 players holy crap! Once again if you are interested let me know or if your on this list and your not supposed to be super let me know. Im planning on a final count by Dec. 26
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Me.
There goes the neighborhood..... ;)
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Damn...I've always wanted to play a slow grow thingee. Hmm. Can we get a rules compendium here? It looks like the dates and points have changed a few times.
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current rules:
We start January first. Start with 500 points. Army is due first weekend of Febuary. You have the first week of Frbuary to play games withy our army. Second round starts the second week in Feb. with another 500 points. during the first week of the SECOND round is a grace period to get your initial 500 points painted for a late score. Once a month we will repeat this but with 250 instead. Once we hit 2k the tale ends.
Scoring is as follows:
Painting:
Painted on time: 5 points
Painted late: 3 points
incomplete: 0 points
Games:
Win: 3 points
Draw: 2 Points
Loss: 1 point
You may play any number of games and pick your best result. the max score in one week is 8 points
Who ever has the highest score at the end wins a nice plaque and a fully painted tournament ready army.
I am trying to keep this as simple as possible when it comes to scoring.
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Can we change our list as things go on? Can I start with scouts for 500pts and be fluffy and have the 750pts be the marines that show up after the initial scouting mission? Or, are we just going to build up and up on the initial foundation? I'm interested.
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to keep it simple its usualy just build off the basic foundation of the 500 points. But if you want to do it from a fluff prospective im sure you can do that.
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Are we actually going to be meeting at BG on the first of Jan or are we meeting as a group at all?
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Well ide like us all to meet maybe the Friday night or Thursday night of the first week of Jan so I can make up the score tracking sheets and take every one's picture with their respective army.
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Any one else interested before I draw up spread sheets and finalize what the X in X Players Equals?
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I'm paintin now anyway, so count me in too. Red Scorpions ahoy!
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im going to do a final head count. Any one else?
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What condition are these models supposed to be in to start? Also, how do we feel about Forge World army lists? I have a Red Scorpions army started. If not, don't worry. I still haven't decided what army to play :)
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we should play were we can play with any units marked for friendly games from the adeptcon list
http://www.adepticon.org/12rules/201240KIAApoc.pdf
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What condition are these models supposed to be in to start? Also, how do we feel about Forge World army lists? I have a Red Scorpions army started. If not, don't worry. I still haven't decided what army to play :)
It was said in an earlier post but ill say it again. Models can be in any condition and yes forge world army lists are acceptable but it is encouraged to use a codex army if possible. I just want to avoid the problem of players that have forge world lists having access to stuff like flyers which will be a bit of a power tip in favor of the forge world lists. People who use codex armies will havea hard time dealing with flyers.
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no look at that list i posted flyers are not accepted but the vehicles and guys that are more regular play are. we should play with those.
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I don't plan to bring fliers or anything like that. Seth's link is pretty good. I just wanted to be able to use the cool FW models and rules for the Red Scorpions. More likely to paint more Apothecaries now. Yay. Thanks guys!
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after reading the link seth provided we will go by those rules for forge world armies and models
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How do you order FW stuff, it's all in pounds?
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you gotta use a currency converter. Also check with your bank when you make a purchase as some banks will charge a "conversion" fee.
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im going to do a final head count. Any one else?
I would hold off on the final headcount until you're about to start, Steve.
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[I would hold off on the final headcount until you're about to start, Steve.
What do you mean, final head count? Isn't the X a roman numeral?
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[I would hold off on the final headcount until you're about to start, Steve.
What do you mean, final head count? Isn't the X a roman numeral?
no X = the number of people participating
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January is drawing close. Im going to do a final head count next week before we get this started and the first week of January maybe Thursday or Friday every one participating should meet breifly so we are all on the same page of what we are doing.
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For some reason, I thought we were meeting on the 1st. I'm there every Thursday anyway.
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We are starting on the first! So you can start painting assembeling etc.
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I may not make it on Jan 1st, depends on some college stuff but i will try.
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How do you order FW stuff, it's all in pounds?
They will charge a conversion fee. It's usually not much. Just go to their site, load up your cart and fill in the appropriate billing information. It's like any other online retailer.
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They will charge a conversion fee. It's usually not much. Just go to their site, load up your cart and fill in the appropriate billing information. It's like any other online retailer
Ahh i see, thanks.
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Ah ha! Now it makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Do we have any idea what the army spread looks like? I've got a few ideas of armies now (Guard, more Marines, Space Wolves), but I'd rather not double up. Also, I probably don't need more Space Marines. Ha!
We are starting on the first! So you can start painting assembeling etc.
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I may not make it on Jan 1st, depends on some college stuff but i will try.
no no we are meeting on the 5th or 6th but are STARTING the projects on the 1st.
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Ah ha! Now it makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Do we have any idea what the army spread looks like? I've got a few ideas of armies now (Guard, more Marines, Space Wolves), but I'd rather not double up. Also, I probably don't need more Space Marines. Ha!
We are starting on the first! So you can start painting assembeling etc.
This is a good question. Im going to start a second thread for to speficly cover the final draft of rules, and for players to post who they are if participating and what army is being used
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Scoring for painting:
Painted Army On Time: 5 points
Painted Army Late: 3 Points
Did not complete army: 0 points
Scoring for games:
Game won: 3 points
Game Draw: 2 points
Game Loss: 1 point
I just have a couple of questions 1) When is a army considered "late" and when is considered "not done"? 2) How many points can you earn a sesson 8 or if you play 2 games, win and have a full painted army is it 11? 3) Can we only play people from tale from X gamers or other people to? thanks.
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Are we going to play with WYSIWYG? I have a SM Librarian that I usually take Terminator armor with, but the model is just a standard Libriarian...
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I think it should be WYSIWYG. That's just me though.
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Scoring for painting:
Painted Army On Time: 5 points
Painted Army Late: 3 Points
Did not complete army: 0 points
Scoring for games:
Game won: 3 points
Game Draw: 2 points
Game Loss: 1 point
I just have a couple of questions 1) When is a army considered "late" and when is considered "not done"? 2) How many points can you earn a sesson 8 or if you play 2 games, win and have a full painted army is it 11? 3) Can we only play people from tale from X gamers or other people to? thanks.
It is considered late if its not painted by second qweek of the new round. 8 points is the best you can possibly earn in a given round. You do not get more points from playing more people. You may play as many as you like and take your best result. Only Play people in the tale.
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Are we going to play with WYSIWYG? I have a SM Librarian that I usually take Terminator armor with, but the model is just a standard Libriarian...
im afraid the answer is we are doing WYSIWYG. If you need a power armor Librarian I may have an old one you can strip and re-paint.
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I went back through a number of posts but couldn't find this info handy we decided the first 1,000 points after 2 months. But do we have to have one HQ and two troops in the first 500?
I find that nigh undoable (Waiting on some vets from FW)
I can do a single HW and troop for the first 500 and be up to normal by 1000 points. (that'll still be 30 something models).
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Alan
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I was under the assumption we would be using standard force org. who else can not adhere to standard force org at 500 pts this needs to get resolved quick as we are now starting
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I would also be better off if the chart didn't kick in till 1000
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I made my 500pt list with the standard FOC. Specifically, I have 1 Librarian as my HQ, 1 Tactical Squad and 1 Scout squad. But if too many players won't be able swing it, it's fine with me if it goes by the old FOC that I found on the DakkaDakka forums :
At 500 pts:
0-1 HQ
1+ Troops
0-3 Special
Just let me know because if we don't need to take a HQ, I'm going to swap it out for a HW
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I'm confused at the inability to start under 500 with normal FOC.
Since it's a slow grow league, just section off the army to support it.
My Renegade list is looking like this:
Company Command Squad
24+ worker rabble with enforcer and priest
2 x armored fist squads.
The army sucks at this point level.
If you've got marines, run 5 man squads if you don't have the points. Guard are easy to get a 500 point list together, regardless of quality.
We would all be better off if I just ran a hydra, two leman russes and a squad of alpha legion.
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I agree with Rich. Granted a 500 Point list isn't going to be a very coherent or competitive list, but we're all working on the same scales here. Everyone's got the same advantages and disadvantages.
Here's my 500 point list:
Captain Lysander 200 Points
10 man Tactical Squad, Meltagun, Lascannon 185 Points
5 man Tactical Squad, Sgt with Power Fist 115 Points
Again, not the best list, but at 500 Points, how much more can one expect?
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I'm confused at the inability to start under 500 with normal FOC.
Since it's a slow grow league, just section off the army to support it.
My Renegade list is looking like this:
Company Command Squad
24+ worker rabble with enforcer and priest
2 x armored fist squads.
The army sucks at this point level.
If you've got marines, run 5 man squads if you don't have the points. Guard are easy to get a 500 point list together, regardless of quality.
We would all be better off if I just ran a hydra, two leman russes and a squad of alpha legion.
I would have also started differently if we didn't have to stick to FOC. My 500 list is terrible, but maybe it'll get good someday:
Company Command squad
-banner
-3x grenade launcher
-power fist
Platoon Command squad
-3x Plasma
-powerfist
Infantry squad
-Commissar
--power weapon
-flamer
-power weapon
-vox caster
Infantry squad
-flamer
-power weapon
Vet squad
-3x meltagun
-grenadiers
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As only an interested observer, I'd be somewhat lenient with the first 500 points, let people paint whatever 500 points they want to get them started and encouraged. After that though, the FOC hammer definitely should be dropped.
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Were all starting on the same scale but not the same budget. I had non hq models and right now I don't have the money to buy any but will before we hit 1000
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Ok in light that not every one can comply with stanard force org. I am ruling that standard force org is reduced to 1 HQ and 1 Toop. I ask that this ruling is not to be abused by taking units past a second troop choice.
IE: I take a Wolfgaurd battle leader(HQ) 1 pack of Grey Hunters(troop) and 1 pack of Long Fangs(Heavy Support). this example is a big NO.
The ruling is for those who have armies that CAN NOT comply with standard force ORG and can only get by with just 1 troop choice and 1 HQ.
This is my ruling. ::bangs gavel::
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Yeah, the idea of a casual league is a structure and a chill, non-WAAC approach. Think of it as the anti tournament in a lot of ways.
Also, a space marine captain starts off as just a dude in power armor. Just sayin'.
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Ok, so no HW in round 1? But 1 HQ + 2 troop choices is still fine? Just making sure I have it clear.
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Ok, so no HW in round 1? But 1 HQ + 2 troop choices is still fine? Just making sure I have it clear.
1 HQ and 2 Troops will ALWAYS be fine, since it's the minimum for any regular list. The idea that Steve is trying to get across is that you shouldn't take advantage of the new rule, of 1 HQ and 1 Troop minimum, and add something that would be more OP in such a small game (just as he cited in his example with the Long Fangs).
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I figured that was the case. Just wanted to confirm. Looking forward to this! Also, Steve I read in an earlier post you said something about meeting at Battleground on 1/6 to go over things? What time?
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I think a meeting to kick things off probably isn't the worst idea in the world.
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Meeting will be 1-6-12 This Friday around 4 or 5 at BG Abington
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This is my ruling. ::bangs gavel::
That solves that little hiccup thanks!
Alan
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I work until 5, so I won't be able to attend the meeting. But if you guys are going to be there, does anyone want to get a few practice games in, and fill me in on what was said in the meeting? Doesn't necessarily need to be our 500 point list. I can be there around 6pm.
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I have to be at work at 4 on friday so i wont be there
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I won't be able to get there Friday. I will be there Thursday (unrelated).
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Meeting will be 1-6-12 This Friday around 4 or 5 at BG Abington
I may be able to make it but idk yet.
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I also plan on taking pictures of each player and I will be making up a spread sheet to keep score for each player that will accompany each picture. This way every one knowes who every one else is and knowes what they look like
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I'm hoping to get there by 5:30 depending on traffic. Hopefully I don't miss you.
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Not going to make it this Friday, but I do have questions about the league that maybe people can discuss during the meeting:
Can we play a league game before we finish painting the models for whatever point level we're at?
If I come up with a list for the 500pt level, are those models/units locked in when we move onto the next point's level?
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Not going to make it this Friday, but I do have questions about the league that maybe people can discuss during the meeting:
Can we play a league game before we finish painting the models for whatever point level we're at?
If I come up with a list for the 500pt level, are those models/units locked in when we move onto the next point's level?
This is what Steve posted from the other thread on this :
"Starting Jan 1st you have 1 month to paint 500 points. From the last day of Jan to the last day of the first week in feb players will have the opritunity to play games for an optimal game score and have armies painted for the late paint score.
Armies must be painted no latter than Feb 3rd for a full paint score. Any army not fully painted by Feb 10th will be considered not done and no points will be awarded."
So, it looks like we can start playing games that count towards our score between Jan 31st and Feb 11th. Although like it says above, for a full paint score armies must be fully painted by Feb 3rd. So it sounds like you could play games between Jan 31st and Feb 2nd with a partially painted army and still potentially receive full points for the game if you win, but your paint score will begin being assessed on the 3rd.
And that's a real good question about our 500pts being locked in after the first round. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Not going to make it this Friday, but I do have questions about the league that maybe people can discuss during the meeting:
Can we play a league game before we finish painting the models for whatever point level we're at?
If I come up with a list for the 500pt level, are those models/units locked in when we move onto the next point's level?
This is what Steve posted from the other thread on this :
"Starting Jan 1st you have 1 month to paint 500 points. From the last day of Jan to the last day of the first week in feb players will have the opritunity to play games for an optimal game score and have armies painted for the late paint score.
Armies must be painted no latter than Feb 3rd for a full paint score. Any army not fully painted by Feb 10th will be considered not done and no points will be awarded."
So, it looks like we can start playing games that count towards our score between Jan 31st and Feb 11th. Although like it says above, for a full paint score armies must be fully painted by Feb 3rd. So it sounds like you could play games between Jan 31st and Feb 2nd with a partially painted army and still potentially receive full points for the game if you win, but your paint score will begin being assessed on the 3rd.
And that's a real good question about our 500pts being locked in after the first round. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks dude, I missed that part of his post.
And another question: Can we dig up some special missions for the league? Doing a special 2v2 matchup would also be pretty fun.
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Do we have a definite time for friday?
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while I dont see a problem with playing before your army is painted its strongly encouraged for you to only play on the last week so that you play with a fully painted army. The fear I have is that if you play with out paint you may become discuraged from keep painting your army by the deadline.
while it is recomended you keep the current 500 points you start with I dont see any reason why you can not change it up. You WILL need to fully paint what ever it is you change by the deadline.
As for special missions if any one cares to find some we can discuss it at the first meeting Friday. If you can not attend dont worry ill post what was discussed
::bangs gavel:: :-p
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while I dont see a problem with playing before your army is painted its strongly encouraged for you to only play on the last week so that you play with a fully painted army. The fear I have is that if you play with out paint you may become discuraged from keep painting your army by the deadline.
while it is recomended you keep the current 500 points you start with I dont see any reason why you can not change it up. You WILL need to fully paint what ever it is you change by the deadline.
As for special missions if any one cares to find some we can discuss it at the first meeting Friday. If you can not attend dont worry ill post what was discussed
::bangs gavel:: :-p
You know what might be a great idea? Battle Reports! with Pictures! How about giving a bonus "effort" point for writing and posting a WELL WRITTEN battle report of your match (pictures would be awesome too!)? A point could be given to both the person writing it and that person's opponent.
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while I dont see a problem with playing before your army is painted its strongly encouraged for you to only play on the last week so that you play with a fully painted army. The fear I have is that if you play with out paint you may become discuraged from keep painting your army by the deadline.
while it is recomended you keep the current 500 points you start with I dont see any reason why you can not change it up. You WILL need to fully paint what ever it is you change by the deadline.
As for special missions if any one cares to find some we can discuss it at the first meeting Friday. If you can not attend dont worry ill post what was discussed
::bangs gavel:: :-p
You know what might be a great idea? Battle Reports! with Pictures! How about giving a bonus "effort" point for writing and posting a WELL WRITTEN battle report of your match (pictures would be awesome too!)? A point could be given to both the person writing it and that person's opponent.
What will be even better?!?! Battle Reports ... with pictures and video :o i would TOTALLY do that
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You know what might be a great idea? Battle Reports! with Pictures! How about giving a bonus "effort" point for writing and posting a WELL WRITTEN battle report of your match (pictures would be awesome too!)? A point could be given to both the person writing it and that person's opponent.
+1 to this! And at such small point increments, it should be really easy to do. Even if we don't get awarded points for it, I'd still be keen on the idea.
@ Mike, are you free anytime soon for a game? Since we're kind of in the same situation, I figure why not? ::)
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Yeah I'm up for a game Ben. PM me with your available times and we will go from there.
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While battle reports sound cool I would like to keep this simple as possible. If you would like to make a battle report all the power to you, have fun with it. Personaly im not a fan of typing out a play by play of a game I played in. It will get tedious for some people and i dont want to create that sort of pressure just to get an extra point. Remember this is NON competitive and friendly. Rewarding some one for going the extra mile sounds cool and all but not every one has the time and patients to do so. I would like to leave the scoring system as is.
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I agree Steve. I know I personally won't really have the time to make battle reports... But it's a great idea either way.
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I'm going to be there tomorrow and Sat if anyone wants to play w/ my daemons.
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Hey Steve i will not be able to go tomarrow but i will be there around 6:15.
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Dear Great Steve D,
If it is not too late, I would like to join in on this with the Imperial Guard: Catachans. What say you?
-The Chad
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very well Chad your in gotta re-name this Tale of 16 Gamers
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The Sweet 16?
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I have a squad done and a 2nd squad about half done. That'll leave 2 more squads of guardsmen to do. I haven't decided what Cadian regiment they'll belong to yet though. I just got my order of mold making material and resin so I can make molds and start casting my custom bases!
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Thanks all who came yesterday for the meet and greet. If you have any more questions PM me or post here.
What we reviewed:
Let every one get to know eachother
Chad is going to make us a board to hold our score cards
I am making up score cards on thick card papper
Question came up, can you play games before the plat game period? Yes you can but it wont count for your score card unless there is an exception made for special circumstances.
Finaly this is for fun, getting a fully painted army and re-establishing a 40k community in Abington.
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Going to start a "Tale of X Gamers Army Painting Blog" for my Imperial Fists next week. Aside from Mike Do and myself, I don't know of anyone else who'd need to use it, considering just about everyone else is relatively close to BG Abington, but feel free to post pics of your army there if you find it necessary.
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
I'm assuming yes.
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
Basing is part of painting. I'm replying to you King, but also pointing at the trooper.
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
I would presume "Yes" as well. To spend all the time to paint a model nicely, only to have a few marks of various different colors (which ironically all match your model) randomly splashed on the base would defeat the purpose of spending so much effort painting them in the first place. The modeling sand I use goes a pretty long way though, and I'm pretty sure you can base an entire IG regiment with only one container of it.
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I actually filled up a Poland spring plastic water bottle with sand at the beach once a couple years ago -- I've still got most of the bottle left.
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
Basing is part of painting. I'm replying to you King, but also pointing at the trooper.
:-[
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
Basing is part of painting. I'm replying to you King, but also pointing at the trooper.
:-[
Ha! Sand BEFORE painting! It'll look like GW stuff! :)
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Hey just a question that i did not see in any posts: Do the models need to be based?/ if so will it count to our painting score?
Yes all models must be based. If you want tips or tricks just talk to some of us who have been doing it for a while. My perfered way is applying sand, inking it and let the ink fully dry, and painting over it and then adding little details like static grass.