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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2014, 01:49:56 PM »
Here's the top 3 from the last 1850 we ran.  Someone please post how many points each list is.

1st - Todd Silber

2nd - Alex Fennell

3rd - Chris Scotti
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2014, 01:50:41 PM »
I'm at a 10 and my list is no where near the standard meta-spam.

Lol wut?

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2014, 01:51:27 PM »
Ya bill I had to laugh at that as well.
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2014, 02:00:47 PM »
It seems bad that a particularly strong army might score a 3 and a not particularly strong army might score a 12.

Hearing that makes it VERY difficult to take seriously.

Things to remember here is that the Swiss aren't doing this system on paper. Going out on a limb here and assuming you are talkin about Pod Wolves (3) and Necrons (12). Is that while pod wolves are powerful and have a difficult to appreciate alpha strike they have extremely mobility and hard counter problems while Necrons have night scythes which keep very low point value units very safe and even against heavy anti air armies can fly on and off the board and drop troops on objectives last turn.

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2014, 02:01:15 PM »
Here's the top 3 from the last 1850 we ran.  Someone please post how many points each list is.

1st - Todd Silber

2nd - Alex Fennell

3rd - Chris Scotti

Ok if im reading this correctly

Todd = 5 (which in my opinion is a tame build as it does not use broken seeker star)

Alex = 9

Chris = List is broken cant check.
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2014, 02:09:54 PM »
After more careful review, my list only clocks in at 7-8.

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 02:10:01 PM »
Chris's is fixed.
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2014, 02:17:41 PM »
Chris is 4 if Ravenwing banner != Devastation banner, otherwise he is a 5

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2014, 02:18:43 PM »
Todd actually has a pretty balanced, non-cheesy list, by anyone's measure.  Go Todd!

Jared, you're a cheese monkey, you know it, don't front.

My list, while Tau-Farisght, I've otherwise worked pretty hard to keep "balanced".  I'm a little disappointed it hit 5, mostly on markerlights.  But that's also not awful, so *shrug*.

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2014, 02:22:04 PM »
Correct Chris is a 5
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2014, 02:24:42 PM »
I think Todd got a 2 not a 4.  He doesnt have screamers/exalted

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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2014, 02:26:07 PM »
Hes a 4 because the DP is 1 and he has 3 exalted rewards
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2014, 02:54:02 PM »
Todd actually has a pretty balanced, non-cheesy list, by anyone's measure.  Go Todd!

Jared, you're a cheese monkey, you know it, don't front.

My list, while Tau-Farisght, I've otherwise worked pretty hard to keep "balanced".  I'm a little disappointed it hit 5, mostly on markerlights.  But that's also not awful, so *shrug*.

Sorry, I don't take 3 Riptides and a Wraithknight on a Skyshield platform, or 4 Riptides and minimum troops.  I don't run dual WK and 6 Wave Serpents.  I don't run Jetstar or Seerstar.  I don't spam 9 broadsides. 

I could easily just sit back and have entirely unfun games if I wanted to run what is standard Meta Lists now.
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2014, 02:55:32 PM »
Right so lets say you do that.  Person gets beat and it butt sore.  He dogs you, now you have tpo deal with an average or lose out because you pissed off a child.
But if he's butt sore, wouldn't what he give you be lower than the average anyway?

Besides. Only a fool would publish the differential. You give the winners in each category, no specifics. No one can complain if they only know the final score, and not how much it was or wasn't altered by their soft scores on comp. You tell people how much it can potentially change, of course, but there is no need to show, say, anything but your final total of battle points.

I feel it's critical it happen AFTER the game. I don't know if the guy was a slow or inexperienced player or a cheater before the game. The only people who would use after-game comp to screw someone are the same sort of people who it is going to intentionally be hamstringing anyway. It's not a realistic threat with the option to drop an anomalous result anyway.

If you do player scored comp before the game it hurts everyone -- for instance, a player in the vein of Mr. Prometheus would probably be low-balled even if the gameplay or list that day didn't merit it, merely on reputation. Similarly, you might see a guy with some Riptides and give him a zero only to find he's a super nice guy and you had a great game and his Riptides were the only good thing in his army.

Rubrics don't work. People only want rubrics so that they can still be a dick to their opponents but dance around the comp with their list and then act like they were a perfectly nice guy all day because the rubric said so.

I much prefer the player-friendly method. I would rather see tough lists but people not being jerks to one another, than average lists and everyone mad because they couldn't take what they wanted. Not to mention, you can make this additive, so no one ever gets a negative, only no added points.
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Re: Swedish Komp System
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2014, 02:55:50 PM »
Still figuring this out.  I'm trying to figure out where my (Chris S.) 5 points come from.  I get 1 for the Chapter master with 2+/3++, and another for the Allied unit with a Ravenwing Grenade Launcher....what are the other 3 points from, guessing I'm misunderstanding this a bit.